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Jkeatley
Copper Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 05/09/2009 : 18:22:43
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Ok so first post, should have done it ages ago love this site.
anyway little question,
i love looking at old compacts havent got any yet but
does where a pedals made affect its tone,
will a MIJ SD-1 sound better than my MIT SD-1?
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2009 : 18:58:09
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Hi Jkeatley
Welcome to the forum from Australia.
Thanks for your kind words about the forum.
Regards Dr. Bob  |
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moonmarkcus
Silver Member
Nicaragua
224 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2009 : 19:14:05
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| Probably, regarding SD-1, MIJ is smoother than MIT, specially if Opamp are original JRC4558 DD. I think....it is my opinion |
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nathanscribe
Silver Member
United Kingdom
376 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2009 : 20:04:31
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I think 'better' might be replaced with 'different'. Depends on the sound you like.
I compared a MIJ CE-2 with a MIT, side by side, and found no discernible difference at all, except a minor one in the min/max sweep rate. Tonally they were identical to my ears. Where a pedal has changes in the circuit over time, or uses different op-amps, then I think you're more likely to notice a difference in tone, but exactly how noticable or important that is probably varies from unit to unit - and user to user.
Personally, I wouldn't be put off buying something that was MIT just because it was MIT - my advice is always buy it, try it, and if you don't like it sell it.
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PaulH
Gold Member
535 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2009 : 20:38:02
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| It's all in the ear of the beholder. |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2009 : 00:45:17
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| most argue there is diffrence but i really don't see one cause they are both spec the same |
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PaulH
Gold Member
535 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2009 : 00:54:38
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Sometimes you believe there is a difference (because forums like this tell you there is), when actually there isn't.
I once owned a CE5 analogue and digital at the same time.
In a blind test they sounded the same.
Yet some say analogue is better.
Ultimatley, if you believe there is a difference, then there always will be, to you. |
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BossBrasil
Bronze Member
Brazil
129 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2009 : 03:29:58
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| I have a SD-1 MIJ and with certainty he is more organic and hot than MIT |
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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
704 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2009 : 03:54:48
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| I compared my MIJ DS-1 to my MIT DS-1 side by side. The difference was unvelievable. The MIT DS-1 sounds processed, and a bit gnarly. The MIJ makes my tube amp sound like someone's poured petrol over it, set it on fire, then let me riff it up. I seriously recommend replacing any MIT DS-1's with a MIJ. Maybe I shouldn't say this as I have a MIT DS-1 for sale in the marketplace... |
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BossBrasil
Bronze Member
Brazil
129 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2009 : 04:03:51
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DasBeef
it is true DS-1 MIJ is much better than MIT  |
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Mansun
Gold Member
Spain
564 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2009 : 14:41:00
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Originally posted by DasBeef
I compared my MIJ DS-1 to my MIT DS-1 side by side. The difference was unvelievable. The MIT DS-1 sounds processed, and a bit gnarly. The MIJ makes my tube amp sound like someone's poured petrol over it, set it on fire, then let me riff it up. I seriously recommend replacing any MIT DS-1's with a MIJ. Maybe I shouldn't say this as I have a MIT DS-1 for sale in the marketplace...
I'm thinking in getting a Keeley modded one finally, I've heard some youtube reviews and it seems to be a great booster apart from distorter.
A Keeley modded could be the japanization (made up word here, sorry) of a MIT? I mean, they use better chips and things and replace the cheaper components, no? |
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 05/10/2009 : 18:09:52
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there's definitely a difference between MIJ and MIT pedals but it's arguable as to what is its main cause.
as things have been stated in other threads there's 2 big ones:
1. component drift
2. quality of components used in japan vs. used in taiwan.
something else to remember is that japan has absurdly high quality control standards... whereas they are a lot lower in taiwan.
#2 controls lots of things like the noise in the treble freq's. etc.
#1 basically is why a 15 year old pedal sounds slightly different from a 5 year old pedal.
with a pedal like the DS-1, there's been 2 op amp changes that have changed the tone and pedal's characteristics over time. the original op amp DS-1's are a lot more organic overall. if you think of the standard mode 1 on DS-2's and the distortion from DF-2's, you get a tone closer to an original DS-1 than a current DS-1.
with something like an SD-1, i personally find the biggest differences between ACA vs. PSA versions. newer pedals often seem more hi-fi to me even if the older signature sound is supposed to be low fi.
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will a MIJ SD-1 sound better than my MIT SD-1?
in regards to this question it somewhat depends on how old your SD-1 is. i've found that like a 1992 MIT SD-1 will sound a lot closer to a 1985 MIJ SD-1 than a 2005 MIT SD-1.
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A Keeley modded could be the japanization (made up word here, sorry) of a MIT? I mean, they use better chips and things and replace the cheaper components, no?
the keeley mod changes a whole lot of stuff, including the clipping diodes. it's more of a hi-fi mod with a change in volume boost and gain structure... basically it makes it a completely different pedal.
pedals like the DS-1 and SD-1 aren't really hi fi pedals, so upgrading caps and resistors to metal film creates a lot of "dead air" in the frequency spectrum output by the pedals. this isn't necessarily a bad thing as there an arguable tonal improvement of the pedals but it definitely changes the pedal's overall flavor and characteristics enough to create something new and independent.
overall though, if you can't tell the difference in MIJ vs. MIT tone consider it to be a blessing. |
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 05/10/2009 : 18:32:50
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I too hear a difference in the DS-1 and SD-1 between MIJ and MIT. I've never compared CE-2s or BF-2s or CE-3s even.
Japanese QC is a really big part of it.. zentropa hit the pedal right on the treadle with his post.  |
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