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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
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 Posted - 03/02/2010 : 16:46:16
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Originally posted by PepeMusic
Does every effect need a real use? Sometimes I love the really weird effects - the stranger the better! Using them live or for recording is not always recommendable. 
Maybe, playing with effects is definetely great fun, I'll give you that.
But my theory has always been that I need a use for something, else I rather sell it and use the money for something else.
I like my musical budget to rotate a little, instead of spending all on heaps of gear that'll pile out of my closets. |
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Iversen
Bronze Member
Denmark
111 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2010 : 00:26:54
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| I'm a sucker for wah effects! I have a Budda Bud-Wah that I'm not looking to replace anytime soon (it's been sitting on my board for 3 years now) and I also have two envelope filters on my board. I use the TW-1 for a less pronounced effect and an EMMA DiscumBOBulator when I need a the widest possible range of auto-wah. |
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Ptak
Bronze Member
141 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2010 : 09:37:57
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I've tried the PW-10, AW-2, AW-3... i now use a crybaby. The crybaby is the best so far but i need a different model. I never tried the FT-2 or TW-1. Im not an autowah fan i guess.
Has anyone tried the PW-1 or FW-3? opinions? |
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miguelbass
Copper Member
Portugal
25 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 02:17:32
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Recently I got an FT-2 and an AW-2. I play mostly a Rickenbacker 4001 CS. I loved the FT-2. Combined with a CE-3 you can get the kind of "On the Silent Wings of Freedom" type of sound that was originally done with the Mutron III and a harmonizer (Eventide maybe).
The AW-2 so far didn't work very well but I need time to play with it. It seems that for my bass I can't control too well the sensitivity and it produces little effect. When I have more time I will try to do a shoot-out and post it.
Anyone has experience with the TW-1 on bass? What's the price for it these days?
The AW-3 - I haven't one, but I seen some demos and it sounds a bit too "modern" - kind of Flea-thing. The humanizer... it's fun for the first 5 minutes. I have it on my ME-8B and never applied it anywhere.
Miguel
www.miguelbass.com |
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Witloofboer
Gold Member
Belgium
513 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 09:22:47
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Originally posted by Mansun
Will I be able to do a proper cover of 'Papa was a rolling stone' with one of those? Love that song!
I think it's an ordinary wah, not an autowah. I use a Vox V847 & an Ashdown Envelope Filter. The Ashdown works good with guitar too. |
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Mansun
Gold Member
Spain
564 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 09:28:23
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Yeah, I think it was made with a expression pedal rather than an auto wah, but I think I wouldn't feel comfortable playing, using the expression and singing at the same time...
Thanks Miguel, I'm definitely looking for a FT-2 (the AW-2 doesn't convince me at all) and I don't think I will find one anytime soon, but I'm curious: where do you put it in your chain? I have no clue where to put mine in case I find it: at the end? after distortion? |
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ChristoMephisto
Platinum Member
Canada
1288 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 10:01:51
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Get an expression pedal to go with it
one of the older longer ones |
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Iversen
Bronze Member
Denmark
111 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 22:27:04
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Originally posted by Mansun
Thanks Miguel, I'm definitely looking for a FT-2 (the AW-2 doesn't convince me at all) and I don't think I will find one anytime soon, but I'm curious: where do you put it in your chain? I have no clue where to put mine in case I find it: at the end? after distortion?
Mansun, most people put their wah and/or envelope filters at the start of the chain. Some fuzzes have been known to only sound good in front of the wah, but other than that, try them in front of everything else. My chain is guitar > wah > envelope filter >envelope filter > the rest of the board >> amps. |
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MullyFX
Gold Member
Germany
753 Posts |
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miguelbass
Copper Member
Portugal
25 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 22:54:40
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Originally posted by Mansun
I'm curious: where do you put it in your chain? I have no clue where to put mine in case I find it: at the end? after distortion?
Right now I would say before the modulations (chorus/flanger/phaser) cause that's how I currently wanna use it - that's the same order as in the ME-8B chain, btw.
For Distortions i never thought about that. I don't have a fixed chain. I guess you can apply to taste. I will try with my own. The unit I use is the Malleko b:assmaster (silicon) which is similar to the Maestro brassmaster. I'll let you know soon my opinion.
Miguel
www.miguelbass.com |
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Mansun
Gold Member
Spain
564 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2010 : 00:33:53
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Originally posted by MullyFX
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Originally posted by Mansun I'm definitely looking for a FT-2 (the AW-2 doesn't convince me at all) and I don't think I will find one anytime soon
http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9256
Haha! I had yours in mind, I think I even made you an offer before you put your ad, but I can't pay 90 � plus shipping. Not right now at least: I've just bought another new baby.  |
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Mansun
Gold Member
Spain
564 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2010 : 00:39:35
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@Iversen and Miguel
Thank you very much (or tak and obrigado  ), I thought it was at the end of the chain 'cos I got it was a sound modeler, just like a flanger or a chorus.
The cool feature of the FT-2 seems to be, indeed, that it admits an expression pedal... You never know if you might need it in the end. |
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miguelbass
Copper Member
Portugal
25 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2010 : 01:30:58
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Just a little update. I was experimenting a bit with the AW-2. I confirm that it's not an easy pedal. Firstly - it eats the lows for every manual setting. For guitar it might work. For bass, unless you really want to lose bottom, it's helpless.
Secondly, the sensitivity - if you want an auto-wah it's understandable (the pedal is called "auto-wah" anyway). Turn the sensitivity all off and varying the other three controls make it work as expected. But if the sensitivity is supposed to be used as an envelope filter parameter, then it's again confusing because a) rate works anyway, even at minimum and b) it's difficult to find the sweet spot where you can control the filter with your picking strength, it seems that it's always too much signal and the filter is always open and it's still "rate" in command.
I will keep the AW-2 for now anyway just in case I wanna try something on the guitar. For my bass, as envelope filter, I use the FT-2.
And, Mansun, I tried with distortion - it seems to work better with the distortion before. With the distortion after, the filtering gets muddier and less prominent - but I guess here more tweaking is needed and it's up to one's taste.
Miguel
www.miguelbass.com |
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Mansun
Gold Member
Spain
564 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2010 : 01:47:56
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Thanks!
Anyway, I have one major problem, which is that I don't know what an envelope filter is. I read in the pocket dictionary that the FT-2 can be used as an envelope filter or an autowah and I didn't understand the first part of it.
I still don't have a compression sustainer, but I mean to someday. In your previous messages you said the FT-2 should be first, but I think you meant after the compressor, I'm not sure... And now you say it should be placed AFTER distortion, which I think is the logical thing, and maybe chorus, flanger and phaser should be inmediately after the autowah.
I wish I had the damned FT-2 to try it myself!
Thanks again for your help! |
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miguelbass
Copper Member
Portugal
25 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2010 : 02:30:46
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Envelope filter is a filter that changes its frequency along with the envelope of the signal you input. This "envelope" corresponds roughly to the volume of your playing. With a drawing you'd get easily what it means but in practical terms it means that if you play soft and gradually play harder and harder increasing the volume, so will the filter frequency move and the filter goes from the "u" to "a" amd make the "wah" effect.
With each stroke you play, you'll get a wah, which with a regular pedal would be going down and up with your foot, only with the envelope filter your dynamics "are" your foot in the pedal. The sensitivity control sets how hard you must play to turn the "u" into "a". Of course in pedals like the TW-1 you can reverse the direction and it results in the same effect but going from "a" to "u".
I'm sure when you'll get an envelope filter you'll find it easy to understand. You can also try a demo version of guitar rig software. The have there an "autofilter" whth the same controls and it sounds quite good actually!
I said FT-2 before the modulations (chorus, flangers) and after the distortions (although I used the AW-2 only so far with distortion)
:) You're welcome!
Miguel
www.miguelbass.com |
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