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Big Boss Man
Gold Member

USA
564 Posts

Posted - 02/06/2007 :  16:09:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I could see the Dyna Drive being short lived. I don�t really see many people using this as their primary overdrive. It seems like more of a twist on overdrive for those who already have several. It could also be another difficult to use pedal like the SG-1 since the sound is dependent on your picking dynamics.

Heart and Soul
Silver Member

USA
369 Posts

Posted - 02/06/2007 :  20:12:14  Show Profile  Visit Heart and Soul's Homepage  Reply with Quote
i think that dyna drive could be fun...i doubt it was designed to be a primary overdrive anyway...but for something to experiment with it could be interesting...and i think if theres one i'm not thrilled about its the FZ-5...even though i'd like to try it out before i pass judgement...
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mattoqua
Silver Member

Canada
438 Posts

Posted - 02/06/2007 :  21:08:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think the DN-2 will be alright to play around with, but i wouldnt buy one. It looks like the worst out of them all, but its not horrible.
I think it will open up a lot more pedals with dyna technology, so they have to start somewhere
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Basstyra
Gold Member

France
523 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2007 :  00:29:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Enveloppe controlled effect do exist since the 60's (probably beginning with the Mu Tron, or even before, with any compressor), and still this "Dyna technologie" seems to be something new. It's kinda funny.
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RRV-10
Silver Member

Australia
246 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2007 :  00:38:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Funnily enough I see the DN-2 as being the only redeemable pedal of the lot. I would've thought 4 metal pedals were enough for one company and I'm skeptical about the need for cosm on a compact gain pedal. The DN-2 is at least something the company has not attempted before, and in theory it sounds good, at the very least saving you from having to tap-dance stepping on a box whilst playing if you want to go clean to dirt and back again quickly. Though it sounded pretty horrible in the demo video, real gritty, but they're low quality videos so I'd wait to hear it in person before condemning it.
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Big Boss Man
Gold Member

USA
564 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2007 :  01:48:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree that it should be a fun pedal and it is probably the one that interests me the most too. I do not see it appealing that much to mainstream Boss customers though. I also have little interest in another metal pedal, but the Metal Core should sell fairly well with younger players. In the end Boss is going to stick with whatever sells the most.
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mattoqua
Silver Member

Canada
438 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2007 :  04:19:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I knew that there were some kinds of this dyna stuff out there, but ive never heard any with that big of effect

What i meant was they might start making different kinds of these, like from OD to dist depending on how hard you pick.
Or dist to metal-style
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RRV-10
Silver Member

Australia
246 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2007 :  05:43:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Big Boss Man

In the end Boss is going to stick with whatever sells the most.



No doubt. There's been some speculation that with the introduction of these new dirt pedals some of the older units will be retired. Some have mentioned the DS-2 or the OS-2 as potential candidates, but when you look at the sales figures (bossarea created some hypothetical figures based on serial number increases) it's the OD-3 that's the lowest seller by far (300 units per month less than the next lowest, the OS-2 from memory). Assuming the three new pedals demonstrate themselves to be more profitable than the OD-3 and Boss decides that the dirt selection needs to be trimmed back, maybe the OD-3 will be the one to go?
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DeFrag
Moderator

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2007 :  05:52:28  Show Profile  Visit DeFrag's Homepage  Click to see DeFrag's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Good thing I have an OD-3 & OS-2!
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Goran
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Sweden
2203 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2007 :  09:24:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don�t think the new ones will be bad sellers, as long as they don�t sound really bad, and I doubt that.
The Fender-Boss for sure will sell a lot just by the name.
The downside is that Boss have to (my guess) draw back some of their OD�s, and we will probably see fewer and fewer true analog pedals in the future.
For moddeling/COSM or whatever I think the future is for them, and the analog will find a niche in the boutique camp. And I�m not sure I like that�.

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RRV-10
Silver Member

Australia
246 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2007 :  12:33:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm not so sentimental about the loss of analog, though admit that digital technology must advance a bit before it can match analog tone. What worries me is that Boss will become sidetracked and start making 'greatest hits' pedals (which is where I see the legend series going) where they just model other boxes, like Digitech's Distortion and Chorus Factory pedals, and not bother to improve the tone of their compact pedals like the PH-3 and BF-3 etc. I think the FZ-5, modelling "legendary" fuzz pedals, is really a legends series pursuit and should've been allocated to that product line. Yet they're trying to pass it off as a compact pedal. That sort of thing could be done to draw attention away from the fact that they're doing nothing with the compact series (ok, there's the DN-2 and that metal one, but they may be the last for a long time that isn't a COSM modeler now that the precedent has been set).

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StratoSphere
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Canada
2232 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2007 :  13:37:01  Show Profile  Send StratoSphere an AOL message  Click to see StratoSphere's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
ive kept pretty quiet about the new Boss/Fender co-op, and by quiet i mean this is my first post about it. personally i think its a bad idea

the past few years Boss has made some pretty shaky compacts and now they are doing something totally different with the co-op. i thought Boss would be the last company to do that. its more of a digitech type thing to do as RRV said it kinda looks like Boss hit a brick wall and are out of ideas.

it just seems so unauthentic from a collectors point of view. i mean this is one step away from reissues.

but on the bright side if boss has to co-op, i couldnt think of a better company than Fender.

Thoughts?
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Dirk
Platinum Member

Netherlands
1309 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2007 :  16:29:47  Show Profile  Visit Dirk's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well, I find those Fender modelling pedals pretty interesting though.
Having said this, I normally bash on every modelling device out there, especially the Line6 stuff, cause it "can't beat the real thing" and all that.
But what if you have a crappy sounding amp and throw one of these pedals in front of it, who knows it may sound great.
I find 'em a bit pricey though, maybe in a couple of years I pick one up second handed off ebay

As for out of ideas, can anyone here think of a new undiscovered effect that hasn't been done yet? Probably not.
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Big Boss Man
Gold Member

USA
564 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2007 :  18:35:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, I would have picked those Boss Fender pedals as potential flops, but since there are two companies behind them I think they will hold out a little longer before giving up.
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kulten
Gold Member

France
516 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2007 :  21:06:20  Show Profile  Visit kulten's Homepage  Reply with Quote
as Tina Turner sang :

What's BOSS got to do, got to do with it
What's FZ-5 but a second hand pedal
What's BOSS got to do, got to do with it
Who needs a FZ-5 when he got an FZ-2 or 3

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mattoqua
Silver Member

Canada
438 Posts

Posted - 02/08/2007 :  01:38:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dirk

As for out of ideas, can anyone here think of a new undiscovered effect that hasn't been done yet? Probably not.



A slicer

They have it in their GT-8 and 6, but ive never seen one in a compact form

It would be fun to play around with, but i doubt i would buy one
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