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Laurie
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Posted - 02/28/2010 :  09:07:17  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
R14 is the current limit resistor for the opamp. Without this, the diodes would try to draw an "infinite" amount of current during clipping.

Anyway, it is righ tin the middle of the signal path. If there is a problem with R14, the signal path will certainly be affected.
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kelmaur
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Posted - 02/28/2010 :  09:43:47  Show Profile  Send kelmaur a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Laurie

R14 is the current limit resistor for the opamp. Without this, the diodes would try to draw an "infinite" amount of current during clipping.

Anyway, it is righ tin the middle of the signal path. If there is a problem with R14, the signal path will certainly be affected.



ok i found a spare resistor just like the one for the mod (same value) and resoldered the new one in and am geting the same thing

intermittent signal..will get a signal very little( not as loud as other parts) then wont get a signal, then will....short?

and the same leg on the new resistor soldered just exactly like the one before...solder bubbled up on the lead adn climbed up nstead of sticking to the pad..other leg soldered fine

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Laurie
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Posted - 02/28/2010 :  17:35:26  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Can you take a high-res closeup of the area?
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zentropa
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Posted - 02/28/2010 :  20:29:01  Show Profile  Send zentropa an AOL message  Reply with Quote
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yes...some will stick to the pad, but not too much..it balls up and seems like it rises to the top of the lead and some sticks to the pad


you likely overheated the joint and scorched the pad. if you have a small piece of wire you will probably have to solder that wire to the leg of the resistor that isn't coming into contact with the pad and solder the other end of the wire to the joint that should connect to that leg of the resistor via the traces.
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kelmaur
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Posted - 02/28/2010 :  23:03:12  Show Profile  Send kelmaur a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by zentropa

quote:
yes...some will stick to the pad, but not too much..it balls up and seems like it rises to the top of the lead and some sticks to the pad


you likely overheated the joint and scorched the pad. if you have a small piece of wire you will probably have to solder that wire to the leg of the resistor that isn't coming into contact with the pad and solder the other end of the wire to the joint that should connect to that leg of the resistor via the traces.



any particular gauge of wire?
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zentropa
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Posted - 03/01/2010 :  00:25:39  Show Profile  Send zentropa an AOL message  Reply with Quote
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any particular gauge of wire?


i've only done it a handful of times during pedal repairs, usually after a pedal was reverse voltaged and blew the protect diode which ended up scorching and peeling up the traces on the board.

i used like 26 gauge solid wire, but i'm guessing most things will do the trick (although i'm not sure if braided wire would do as well).

what's happening is that the pad is probably peeling up from the traces and will not longer bond with the solder. that is causing a short, since it's the pad which basically connects the component to the circuit, you'll just need to wire it point to point instead of using the traces on the board.
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kelmaur
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Posted - 03/01/2010 :  01:56:11  Show Profile  Send kelmaur a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Laurie

Can you take a high-res closeup of the area?







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kelmaur
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Posted - 03/01/2010 :  02:00:18  Show Profile  Send kelmaur a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote


that is the new cap...getting ready to desolder it and guess i should get pics up of the pad...didnt think about that till after i posted the other pics

see how the solder balled up on the one leg

and yes i noticed something wrong with the trace...

Edited by - kelmaur on 03/01/2010 04:44:46
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kelmaur
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Posted - 03/01/2010 :  02:26:34  Show Profile  Send kelmaur a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
here are the pics showing the pad, after i took out the new resisitor i put in



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kelmaur
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zentropa
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Posted - 03/01/2010 :  05:18:19  Show Profile  Send zentropa an AOL message  Reply with Quote
yah, that pad is definitely scorched. the burn marks on the top side of the board = bad.

i'm not sure where the wire would connect on that one... probably just back to the other leg of the resistor. i'd wait for someone who's better than me at this stuff to chime in first.
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Laurie
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Posted - 03/01/2010 :  05:25:39  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey... before we go too much further, can you post a pic of your soldering iron?
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kelmaur
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Posted - 03/01/2010 :  05:33:01  Show Profile  Send kelmaur a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Laurie

Hey... before we go too much further, can you post a pic of your soldering iron?





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Laurie
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Posted - 03/01/2010 :  06:10:54  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Righto. Just wanted to see what advice to give about soldering - depends on size/heat of the iron.

If it isn't resolved by then, I'll take another look at the symptoms tomorrow night after work.
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zentropa
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Posted - 03/01/2010 :  06:20:25  Show Profile  Send zentropa an AOL message  Reply with Quote
So would jumpering the legs together on R14 solve the break in the circuit?
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