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Flenix
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 04/04/2010 : 21:03:41
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| What do you guys think of Behringer stuff? Personally I think they are a huge boss wanabee, they do seem to copy EVERYTHING but not as well. My friend got a PB600 (BCB-60 copy) and broke the latch within 2 days when an SM58 fell on it, and their pedals just feel brittle and sound bad. The racks aren't too bad though, what do you all think? |
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Radioheading
Silver Member
United Kingdom
494 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2010 : 21:17:26
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I think the PB1000 is better than the BCB60 due to its compatability with other pedals. However the Behringer pedals are great value for money! Yeah they dont have the built quality and sound quality that the BOSS pedals have but they're alot cheaper.
But instead of buying lots of lower end Behringer pedals I think someone would be better off buying a MultiFX pedal... Like my GT-8 maybe? 
Behringer... Lower quality lower priced BOSS, But good value. |
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ranjam
Bronze Member
Canada
82 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2010 : 22:39:45
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This is a huge can of worms, so only ask if you want 912 different opinions. Here's my 2¢. Just remember what you paid for this awesome opinion.
Behringer, like anyone else, makes some gear that is really a great bang-for-buck option if money is an issue, and they make some utter shite. I hate SMT stuff in general, so I avoid it whenever possible. Unless the price is so cheap it is silly not to have one. I use a few Behringer mics in my 'home' studio, I use the Ultra DI, and a few of their rack pieces aren't as bad as you would imagine. When my local music store has their Xmas blow out sale and Behringer pedals are $20 I grab a couple of them. If they get beer spilled on them, if I accidentally toss them at the wall, or they somehow get left behind my car, I am only out $20. But usually I keep them to borrow to friends who bug me for a pedal to use on a gig. Hmmm, give them my $20 Behringer or my vintage Boss? This is why I keep Behringer, Dan Electro, or other Boss clones like Rockson or Bond handy. I know; I'm a bastard.  |
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Pepe
Silver Member
Germany
230 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2010 : 23:18:13
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The early products of Behringer have been really fine. No wonder, since it has been a German corporation, founded 1989. But since they got successful and moved their whole production to China the quality of the products have become variable. I work in a music shop and I am glad that my bosses don't want to sell Behringer. Many customers that come to us are looking for better gear to replace their gruesome Behringer stuff. I heard sentences like "Please no Behringer! Please not another noise generator!". And those customers can't all be wrong, I think! Personally I haven't come too much in touch with Behringer products and I want to keep it like that!
Concerning their BOSS copies and those of GLX (a.k.a. Beta Aivin a.k.a. Harley Benton a.k.a. Boston a.k.a. Boss-Hog): shame on them! I just hope that those poor fools that buy them try out BOSS one day! Last week our shop got 6 GLX effects pedals. The CS-3 clone is noisy, but useable, the DD-3 clone was noisy and sounded absolutely terrible and the OC-3 clone is noisy and has an awful bad tracking and a worse sound! I didn't try the others - I was fed up with those three ones! What a big shit!  |
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Flenix
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
74 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 01:20:08
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Yeah thats the kind of stuff I mean. The copys just really annoy me, for example there is a DF-2 copy on ebay right now for £20 BIN called the ultra feedback distortion. I'm guessing you hold down that pedal and it makes that horrable noise when you turn a condenser too loud and it feedbacks through the PA - that uncontrollable squeal. And its probably not even a good imitation of one :)
Other than that the only thing that annoys me is the casing. You drop a boss pedal from a 2 story window and it gets a paint chip. Drop the behringer clone of it and it just explodes. Why bother making something you stamp on if it cant take the pressure? |
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Radioheading
Silver Member
United Kingdom
494 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 01:23:22
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I dropped my DS1 pedal from a 2nd story window and the battery compartment screw broke on one side and I couldnt open it  |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 01:30:54
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I've heard some of their mixing desks are quite good..i've never used any of their stuff but i'm sure there are some things they make that are ok..i heard bad things about alesis but i have one of their drum machines nearly 17 years and still works ok..i heard bad things about samsom but i have one of their headphone amps that is a solid piece of kit..same with line 6 and i use a pod xt pro as part of my rig thats always been ok if taking a LOT of tweaking to sound good.....if you go onto the HC forums i've seen a lot of bashing of roland/boss stuff and people being slated for using it but were all here because we love a lot of the stuff they make...i know Behringer copy a lot of stuff but some of it i'm sure is ok...don't bash them because of the name..... |
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Flenix
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
74 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 01:34:00
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Originally posted by Radioheading
I dropped my DS1 pedal from a 2nd story window and the battery compartment screw broke on one side and I couldnt open it
But that was on the third try, and its not a hard fix either :)
and yes, it was your testing I was referring to when i was saying about dropping it from a 2nd story window
On a slightly related note, you're from UK too right? so thats higher than many of the US people on here might thing, to them its the third floor :) |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 02:27:19
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My friend had 2 powered mixers die on him.
While affordable, I hate to see folks waste their hard-earned money.
Some Behringer equipment may be alright, PAs for instance.. a speaker in a cabinet.
Same goes for Bugera amps. My son likes the tone but I almost twisted the knobs off in the store.
Damned plastic shafted knobs. What else are they cheap about.. sub-par traces on PCBs? who knows.
Spend a couple extra tens & buy something that will last. |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 04:08:12
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When stuff is inexpensive like that.they really don't care much about the quality, they just want to move units.the latches on the bcb-60 are made of plastic too and i have seen alot of them break.
I mean with behringer if you are just starting out with guitar and on a budget it's ok, but it was never made for a professional musician |
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ChristoMephisto
Platinum Member
Canada
1288 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 04:20:45
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Went and got the three Boss Grails SP1,SG1,VB2 clones. At about 10% of the cost of the real three.
Only kept the VB2 one and sold the others, but overall impression is there pretty good sound wise. Yeah the plastic cases cheap, but why would you be dropping a pedal out the window, and probably wouldn't hold up to a gig with docs. Then again, they are effect pedals not stompboxes like the BMP or MXRs.
Something you'd want to get if low on cash, or want to try some effect before sinking a load of dough. |
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Pepe
Silver Member
Germany
230 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 09:55:08
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[i]Something you'd want to get if low on cash, or want to try some effect before sinking a load of dough.
Dirk bought a cheap tremolo pedal (I think it was a Behringer) and wasn't happy at all with it! Then he bought a PN-2 a few weeks ago and now he thinks completely different about tremolo! The cheap ones are NOT ALWAYS useable for trying out an effect!  |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 10:26:22
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Some of the actual effects in the clones are ok. The lack of build quality breaks the deal for me though.
Behringer have a certain market and they are probably doing very well from it. They make their products super affordable by making them cheaply, which of course means that they fail a lot easier than a brand like Boss. Boss do cut corners too, but they maintain a much higher standard.
I do have a PB1000 which I think is an excellent product which, if made by Boss, would be unaffordable. Other than that I've gotten rid of all my Behringer gear. |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
1309 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 11:02:35
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Originally posted by PepeMusic
Dirk bought a cheap tremolo pedal (I think it was a Behringer) and wasn't happy at all with it! Then he bought a PN-2 a few weeks ago and now he thinks completely different about tremolo! The cheap ones are NOT ALWAYS useable for trying out an effect!
Hey man, I was gonna say that. 
You are right though, I've never heard a pedal with more tonesuckage than that one, and I hate using that word "tone-sucking" cause some people say Boss pedals suck tone, I don't hear it, but the Behringer was so bad, you won't even imagine it. 
On a positive note, I managed to sell it within a week for half the new price. |
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Mansun
Gold Member
Spain
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 11:08:10
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Originally posted by PepeMusic
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[i]Something you'd want to get if low on cash, or want to try some effect before sinking a load of dough.
Dirk bought a cheap tremolo pedal (I think it was a Behringer) and wasn't happy at all with it! Then he bought a PN-2 a few weeks ago and now he thinks completely different about tremolo! The cheap ones are NOT ALWAYS useable for trying out an effect!
I'm exactly at the stage of your friend before he bought the PN-2. Our other guitarist lent me his UT-100 and I ended up hating the effect. The day it was off my PB started looking as a musician's one.
I don't know about other stuff they produce, but I won't buy pedals, they're unreliable and you can't sell them after using them. When I took it off my PB his owner told me he would sell it and I told him he couldn't even get 10 € from it... |
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nathanscribe
Silver Member
United Kingdom
376 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 13:12:57
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Originally posted by natthu
Some of the actual effects in the clones are ok. The lack of build quality breaks the deal for me though.
That's more or less my position too. I've had their CC300 (DC-2 clone) and that sounded fine - but the cheap plastic case was horrible and I preferred the CE-3's knobs to the presets. I also had a VM-1 (Memory Man clone) and again, thought it sounded fine. It was too large for me though, and even though the case was solid (metal, not plastic) the knobs were cheap and felt weak, and the LED could land a plane in fog. I got a Memory Boy and sold the VM.
I've had a rack-mount Behringer tube EQ, and that was just cheap all-round. It did a job, sounded clean enough, but the finish and controls were unpleasant, the 'tube' quality was dubious at best.
As for mixers, I had a little 8-input thing a few inches square - it wobbled (base not flat), the pots wobbled after about ten minutes' use, and the connections were tight. It sounded clean, which surprised me after listening to other people's experiences, but the quality was just poor.
The only Behringer I've kept is a set of 3 patchbays, and they're not very good either. Tight jacks, wobbly connections. I like the switch idea though.
Lke others have said, if you're skint, Behringer stuff will do a job, but it's not something to aspire to. Better to save up a bit longer and buy something nicer if you can. |
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