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The_Doc
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 11/07/2009 : 11:26:27
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Well, Dr. Bob and The_Doc have been working together and we might just have come up with a first � but only just, as the Bossarea virtual band is coming up hard on our tails and we can�t wait to hear that � Bossarea �The Album� maybe sometime? 
Dr. Bob is in the process of uploading the track to the server and will post a link very soon. In the meantime, I thought I�d give you the story of how this first international collaboration came about. Despite all the fun and friendly rivalry we have with our cricket and rugby teams � Australia and the UK have got it together where it matters � making music! 
Some of you may remember that Dr. Bob posted up his new track �Ice Cold Jazz�. I really liked that track, so I took up the challenge to add some guitar tracks and this is the result. It was a tough one for me because my head is so conditioned to doing what I do with the band and that's heavy classic rock - so playing some jazzy stuff for a change was a real pleasure - good to back off the gain and put the Les Pauls and Marshalls away for a day. I got a real kick out of being involved in this with Dr. Bob.
For the guitar parts, the end result is nothing more than a slightly edited rough mix of my first take. I tried lots more things and created many more tracks but I kept going back to this - probably 'more is less' works here. I tried to build something around the simple double-stop melody at the start and was very conscious of making sure that Dr. Bob�s track shone through it - I was after a drifting in & out vibe.
A bit about the kit used to record the guitar parts. The main guitar was a PRS 513 on the single coil configuration with front/middle pickup position selected, volume was backed off a bit and the tone was on full treble. For the two left and then right panned short licks near the start of the track, I used a stock Gibson ES335.
I pretty well use Line6 PODs all the time for recording. This time both the guitars were recorded through a POD X3 into an early version of Cubase SX running on a PC, with UAD-1 and Powercore PCI cards installed. Monitoring was through a pair of Genelec 1029A�s. The only stomp box used was an early MXR �block logo� Dyna-Comp set up for very gentle comp and this is used on all of the guitar parts.
For the PRS main guitar part the POD was set up for bi-amping � a Dumble emulation to the left and a Fender Twin reverb model on the right. There was a touch of medium hall reverb on each and an LA-2A comp model (UAD card) on the insert of both channels - just to pump up the tone a bit. The 335 was recorded through a Blackface Fender Deluxe Reverb model, with a very light touch of room reverb and an LA-2A on the channel plus a Pultec eq (again UAD) to fatten the mids a touch.
An LA-2A with a gentle comp setting was placed across the master channels to, hopefully, glue the whole track together and there was a UAD Dreamverb with a warm hall settings used as a send / return effect and used only on the 335 licks � just to get them sounding a bit �further away� and slightly different to the main guitar line � very subtle and I�m not sure that worked too well! No automation was used, apart from the master volume fade at the very end.
I think that�s the story and please feel free to pile in with any questions, offer suggestions and things. I'm always happy to help if you want to know more about the guitar tracks and I'm keen to keep learning and improving what I do.
Dr. Bob and I hope that you enjoy our effort. We think it's a unique event for this forum and, hopefully, the first of many � let�s make music folks!!
Fanfare running, dry-ice pumping out, anxious roadie scampering off stage-left, full (plastic) glass of beer in hand and house lights going down���
Let's 
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 14:18:13
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Lets hear it guys...... .....looking forward to this one... |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 14:37:22
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Hi The_Doc & Guys
Wow - what a grand recording & mixing effort.
I just finish reading The_Docs post.
I honestly never knew any of the Technical side of what The_Doc
actually did.
to me it just sounded great - better - smoother.
Many thanks to The_Doc (Kevin) for taking up the challenge.
Considering how little info I gave him to work with.
The track is now up on usual server, I'll post a direct link to the track in a minute, when it's finished uploading & indexing.
The track is called:
File size: 1.6M - File format MP3:
The Two_Docs Remix-Ice Cold Jazz
Direct link:(tested)
http://www.technical-services.com.au/DrBob/The%20Two_Docs%20Remix-Ice%20Cold%20Jazz.mp3
I know Jazz isn't everyone's cup of tea,
It's even pretty left of centre for the stuff I normally work on.
Making it an even greater challenge for both of us.
Regards Dr. Bob & Kevin The_Doc  + |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 16:14:20
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Let me be the first to say... BLOODY GREAT JOB GUYS!! (yes I'm shouting that)
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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
704 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2009 : 16:21:21
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Agree with Laurie. Sounds great. Jazz isn't usually my thing, but I'm at work just now, and it's nice chill out sounds for a Saturday dayshift.
Really like the sound on the guitar at 36secs, doing the what I thinks a wee octave lick. Who and what's reponsible for that? |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2009 : 17:01:01
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 ...sound quality is great........great tune guys,i'll 2nd DasBeefs comment.just the thing for a saturday afternoon chillout.......i'm only guessing here but reckon The_Doc just used his fingers like i would for the octave effect...too many years listening to Wes and George... ...i'm also a fan of the LA-2A compressor sim...i use the one in my Pod for when we get a chance to record,i reckon it's one of the best effects in the Pod.... |
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The_Doc
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 17:47:39
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Glad that you are liking it guys - much appreciated - especially if it's helping us all to chill out
+1 on the octave Franzoni, just playing 1 octave unisons on the 5th & 3rd strings where I like the sound of them best. On reflection, maybe I could have used that type of lick more but when you're improvising you sometimes don't realise what works until you've finished it and then it's too late! I decided to leave it as it was and not fiddle around with it.
The LA-2A finds itself plastered over a lot of my work. I used to use various psycho-acoustic audio exciters like the 'Scintillator', the Behringer 'Ultrafex'. Perhaps too much, as those things need to be used sparingly or they start to recondition your ears and begin to fool them 
But I kept coming back to this compressor - so that's what I use. I also think it's less harsh than the other limiting amplifiers on the UAD card. |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2009 : 19:27:12
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Great, it�s like a new song  |
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PaulH
Gold Member
535 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2009 : 21:44:13
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Mmm... nice.
I'm not a Jazz fan (other than rock, then Folk is more my thing), but that track sounded as good as any Jazz track I've heard. |
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The_Doc
Gold Member
United Kingdom
509 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2009 : 13:55:08
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| Franzoni - forgot to say +1 on far too many years listening to Wes and George but also to Ronnie Jordan and the Foo Fighters! (Dave Grohl uses that technique a lot). |
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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
704 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2009 : 14:40:42
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quote:
Originally posted by FRANZONI
i'm only guessing here but reckon The_Doc just used his fingers like i would for the octave effect
Yeah, I thought that too. Was more wandering, which guitar, amp, and if there was any effects? (overdrive, chorus etc.) I see The_Doc had listed 2 guitars used, and I was just wondering if I was correct in thinking the 335 is responsible? |
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The_Doc
Gold Member
United Kingdom
509 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2009 : 17:01:52
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You've got me thinking there DasBeef - I wonder what it would be like to create the octaves using a PS-3, OC-2 or something? As long as the second note was not mixed up too high, it should work. It could then be used to play fast single note meloody lines with the octave doubling it, as long as the tracking kept up.
I'll experiment with that for the next one. Thanks. |
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