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stratman
Silver Member
Australia
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 Posted - 10/19/2006 : 23:33:42
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Oh yeah, and Goran... You're a $#!#&$#@ for starting this one!!!!
(Just jokes! No offence intended! It's a great debate) |
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stahlhart
Platinum Member
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 00:49:22
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Originally posted by Basstyra
IO don't like the term "vintage". It's like "true bypass", "germanium transistor", "tube", it's used and abused, and does not mean anything clear nowadays. It's more of a legend to confuse buyers and keep prices high...
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 07:23:46
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StratoSphere made a good point above;
Vintage looks, feels and smells.
Thatīs a very good definition.
Concluding it we can all agree that defining vintage is very subjective, yet itīs a useful word in the context of collecting something. |
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gurran1928
Gold Member
Sweden
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 08:57:35
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| But if we're talking 'bout boss pedals i think everything before 86 is vintage and that's because i got a lot of pedals from 85.. |
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stratman
Silver Member
Australia
283 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2006 : 10:46:57
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Originally posted by Goran
StratoSphere made a good point above;
Vintage looks, feels and smells.
Thatīs a very good definition.
Concluding it we can all agree that defining vintage is very subjective, yet itīs a useful word in the context of collecting something.
I agree with the second paragraph - but look,smell and feel????? Nothing to do with the actual word "vintage". Look at a dictionary. You can't "invent" a definition. The time period is the only subjective thing that should come into it.
I think you need another word all together - maybe invent one to suit and then start discussing its definition  |
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thisisacoverup
Bronze Member
USA
97 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2006 : 16:30:25
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| Well, when we're talking about Boss pedals, we all know how old they are and what degree of rarity they possess, so we just use more specific terms than "vintage." It looks like "vintage" used to be a noun anyway, looking at the previous posts. |
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gurran1928
Gold Member
Sweden
650 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2006 : 23:30:53
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| but how 'bout a guy want a totally mint sg-1, you can't see it's old if you don't know.. |
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thisisacoverup
Bronze Member
USA
97 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2006 : 07:33:05
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| because it's an SG-1 |
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gurran1928
Gold Member
Sweden
650 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2006 : 09:51:19
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 This is very funny.. That means you have to know stuff to know they're vintage.. No we got a answer:
Vintage is something personal! |
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 10/22/2006 : 06:00:17
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Originally posted by Goran
Well, as you see the opinions differ a bit
I agree with most of them of course, and when I started this topic I foresaw a lot of the opinions, the nature of the question is like that.
The only definition I donīt totally agree with is the 25 year line; if that was true a 1962 strat would be a vintage guitar 1987, a 1958 tele in 1983. And as we all know they were both called vintage before that, and collectors items. A 1960 Les Paul was surely vintage in the early 70īs.
So vintage is not all about years.
Vintage (in musical instrument context) could be something like this: An old piece of musical equipment, rare, not manufactured in the same form today and collectible.
A 50 year old D-string can be called vintage but not collectible, but a set of 1956 original strings on a 1956 Les Paul Junior is indeed collectible on that guitar.
in 1995 I was in Toronto and found a 1966 Stratocaster for $1200.00. I put it back on its neck hook, and within seconds, quickly, some dude just pulled it off the hook and went straight to the cash register. Didn't even play it.
That's what happens with a "vintage" AND "collectible" item. |
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2006 : 06:03:38
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I hummed and hawwed. Even though it was in rough shape, that was an expensive haw.
It was a brutally faded and checked cream strat with rosewood fretboard all beatup, so I passed.
turns out IT WAS A FREAKING NATURAL RELIC!!! What an idiot i was. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2006 : 23:28:37
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starr36...don't beat yourself up on it buddy i passed on a 62 strat once i dragged my feet on getting the cash together...but in my heart i knew i didn't like it ..it had a neck like a baseball bat and the guy was looking for a 1000 old irish punts a lot of money back in the day.....i also passed on a gibson les paul custom because of the standard of work wasn't great....a lot of people seem (or want) to forget these companies like fender,gibson,mxr,eh etc were in the business of mass producing these items that are now sought after and quality control wasn't what it could have been..claptons famous strat 'blackie' was made from a bunch of '57 strats he bought and took apart to make one that suited him...all these old guys who worked in these companies must be laughing themselves sick at the prices people are paying for these things now...back in the early 80's when i started playing first you couldn't give a 70's strat away..now their 2000+ grand or the person is looking for 'offers'... old or vintage doesn't mean better..it depends on the item and the way in which it has been looked after.. and i have to agree with basstyra i think a lot of it is hype to fleece the younger guys who wouldn't know an el34 if it bit them on the arse..... ..... |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2006 : 00:10:08
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| I've never tried any 60s Strats but I remember an interview I read with Blackmore where he said he couldn't understand the vintage hysteria. He said that the Strats made today are 10 times better than what they had back then. |
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stratman
Silver Member
Australia
283 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2006 : 00:19:39
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And who knows... maybe if the (e.g.) Strats they made back in the 50s/60s had the sound of todays Strats and todays Strats sounded like the ones from the 50s/60s then the older ones would still be THE sound!
It's just what people became used to/remember frmo the "good old days". Bit of nostalgia, perhaps?
Although, saying that, I once played a late 50s Strat, and although it was a real dog to play, I've never heard another guitar like it - that bell-like chime is real, you know.
And I can remember when "Made in Japan" meant it was cheap, crap and nasty. You wanted something that was made in the U.S. or Germany or somewhere else - definitely NOT Japan.
Just think if solid state and tube were reversed on when they were used... "Aw man, those tube amps just sound so crap compared with the real, genuine vintage solid state amps they used to have..."
(Maybe that's stretching it a little though!) |
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tomwest
Silver Member
United Kingdom
436 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2006 : 01:38:54
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Originally posted by stratman
And who knows... maybe if the (e.g.) Strats they made back in the 50s/60s had the sound of todays Strats and todays Strats sounded like the ones from the 50s/60s then the older ones would still be THE sound!
It's just what people became used to/remember frmo the "good old days". Bit of nostalgia, perhaps?
Although, saying that, I once played a late 50s Strat, and although it was a real dog to play, I've never heard another guitar like it - that bell-like chime is real, you know.
And I can remember when "Made in Japan" meant it was cheap, crap and nasty. You wanted something that was made in the U.S. or Germany or somewhere else - definitely NOT Japan.
Just think if solid state and tube were reversed on when they were used... "Aw man, those tube amps just sound so crap compared with the real, genuine vintage solid state amps they used to have..."
(Maybe that's stretching it a little though!)
I agree with the Japan theme, although Taiwan is a step further down than Japan, so that is kindof understandable. I happen to prefer Solid State to Valve amps by the way. |
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