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miguelbass
Copper Member
Portugal
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 Posted - 03/20/2010 : 14:57:07
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Dear friends,
After a few days reading here and there this wonderful forum... I would like to ask you... and if this was debated please lead me to the thread.
It's seems that for most of Boss' pedals, Boss got it right the first time, and the newer versions tend to be worse, and worse. There is of course the psychological factor, the "collectors"/vintage factor, but people here testify that they really prefer playing with the older gear.
CE-2,3 against the later ones maybe the best example, but also CS-1,2 against CS-3, BF-2 against BF-3, DC-3 against DC-2.. FZ-2,3 against FZ-5.... I'm sure a lot of the distortion, overdrive models...
I remember the early 90's when some new models began to replace the 80's versions I tried a few and was disappointed too. I remained disconnected to Boss' pedals for so many years and I opted for the ME-8B for practical reasons. I still have it, but now I gained interest for Boss' CPs, especially now that enough years have passed and we recognize a great value to them... this forum got me motivated too, because it's full of information.
So... Has Boss made something like a big improvement on any pedal?? Something that you can tell as the exact opposite of the "bad transitions" they made? i.e. "now it's amazing - before it was really bad"?
Miguel
www.miguelbass.com
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2010 : 15:12:29
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| That's a good question.I a very impressed,sound wise i really can't think of any pedal, functionally i can think of the dd-7,More bells and whistles and longer delay time, but really the same tone. Also the TU-3, i don't know if it was a tone sucker like the tu-2. The NF-1 with the NS-2 they made a better gate/noise suppressor. and the LS-2 was an improvement over the PSM-5, but all of these pedals have function not tone |
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misterdetail
Bronze Member
USA
112 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2010 : 15:33:41
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| I recently acquired a DD-3 to use in tandem with my DD-6. With both pedals set exactly the same, I thought the DD-6 sounded a little better. The DD-3 was made in 2002 and the DD-6 in 2004. |
Edited by - misterdetail on 03/20/2010 15:34:32 |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2010 : 19:42:22
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| that could be just tolerances in the components that they used in the pedals |
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Mr Arkadin
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
119 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2010 : 20:40:41
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| Mostly I agree. TW-1 = good, AW-2 = very bad, if you take them as direct replacements. I got the CS-2 over the CS-3. I have an AC-2 which whilst not great is still considered by many better than the COSM AC-3. I think COSM hasn't helped any (possibly the RE-20 is the best COSM pedal to date). |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2010 : 20:50:52
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| DD-20 eclipses all delay pedals that came before it. |
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Pepe
Silver Member
Germany
230 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2010 : 23:25:23
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I think that the BOSS guys did a great job developing the BF-3. I bought the BF-3 a few years ago, because I really wanted to have a flanger effect again, which I only had in a Korg multi effects pedal that I sold to finance my RV-5 (I will never regret that, because I really love the RV-5 and I got the Korg pedal that I sold for 120 € again veeeery cheap last year. A small electronic device in it stopped working one day, so the owner sold it at eBay. I got it for 12 € and a friend of mine who also repaired two synthesizers for me at that time, repaired it in a couple of minutes. Perfect, because I really missed that piece and its possibilities. It's an AX30G for those who want to know what I'm talking about - packed with exotic effects!  ).
I love the BF-3! Even more since I bought a BF-2 for 30 € last year for one to one comparison with the BF-3. The BF-3 won the battle! I think that the BF-2 sounds a bit more "natural" if I may say so. The BF-3 can't deny that it is digital, but nevertheless it sounds great! Stereo output, the Gate/Pan mode, the much wider modulation range and bass guitar input are just great! I had no real benefits from the BF-2 aside from the more "natural" sound which I could only clearly hear when I played the guitar alone without other devices, so I sold it again in January.
And personally I like the OC-3 more than the OC-2. It's the sound I want and a lot more!  |
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pinkerton
Copper Member
USA
37 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2010 : 05:39:45
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Originally posted by Laurie
DD-20 eclipses all delay pedals that came before it.
I agree. I prefer my DD-20 over any older DD series, even MIJ versions. My impression is that the 20-series (CE-20, OD-20, etc) are designed to give most bang for your buck. |
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Shermock
Bronze Member
Sweden
61 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2010 : 08:52:08
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I have been asking myself that question too.
When it comes to the Boss Phaser family the PH-1 sounds best.
PH-1r dont have the same warmth, i like it though.
PH-2 seems to shine only in funkstyle playing.
PH-3....well, nice for those cold, sterile Kraftwerk vibes.
To me this is a development of a pedal thats going downhill.
Ive never tried a cs-1 but the cs-2 is a great pedal so maybe thats a case of improvment.
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skugga
Copper Member
Australia
32 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2010 : 13:52:18
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Originally posted by zerksies
Also the TU-3, i don't know if it was a tone sucker like the tu-2.
TU-3 is big improvement on the 2 and definitely no tone sucking |
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miguelbass
Copper Member
Portugal
25 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2010 : 14:50:34
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It seems that the improvements made were, like it was said here, added functionalities or noise removal or tone/volume sucking corrections, but for what I read, in most of cases there has been no improvement on the effect tone itself. In fact it's common to read that the older version it's a bit more noisy but it's a better effect and thus preferable.
Thanks for your replies so far!
Miguel
www.miguelbass.com |
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PaulH
Gold Member
535 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2010 : 13:17:15
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Boss have never actually improved, or changed, any pedal.
Once it's released... that's it.
(OK so they may have made the CE5 digital rather than Analog).
A new pedal (maybe a number change) will have different features to the previous numbers.
Hence you can't make a like-for-like comparison. |
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red_riviera
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
111 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2010 : 13:20:08
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| PS-3 easily better than PS-2. In fact, better than all other Boss pedals before or after, IMO! |
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warwick.hoy
Bronze Member
USA
80 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2010 : 08:10:43
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| There is a general consensus amongst a lot of bass players that the OC-2 sounds better than the OC-3. The OC-2 having a more organic sound. |
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MullyFX
Gold Member
Germany
753 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2010 : 08:35:56
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Originally posted by PaulH
Boss have never actually improved, or changed, any pedal.
Once it's released... that's it.
(OK so they may have made the CE5 digital rather than Analog).
A new pedal (maybe a number change) will have different features to the previous numbers.
Hence you can't make a like-for-like comparison.
OD-2 -> OD-2r
OD-1 had several different chips and circuits
DM-2 had two different chip sets...
TR-2 I believe has two versions doesn't it???
and as you mentioned the CE-5
I'm sure there were others as well
yup... DD-3 long chip short chip (although that was really a name change DD-2/DD-3 without a circuit change)
and again... sure there were more.
and even there people seem to prefer the first versions.... xcept maybe for the OD-2 and the TR-2 - man people are touchy when it comes to unity gain issues.
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visserman
Platinum Member
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Posted - 03/23/2010 : 13:33:07
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Originally posted by red_riviera
PS-3 easily better than PS-2. In fact, better than all other Boss pedals before or after, IMO!
When I noticed this thread I was thinking of the PS-3 as well.
PS-2 sounds darker, more primitive, more vintage. Maybe we cannot really compare any pedal as PaulH mentioned before.
I am just one of those people who likes any Bosspedal, and the ones I use daily are there purely for practical purposes.
Thinking about it, yes I prefer the older ones too, I mainly have older ones, but still some of the newer ones are great as well, like BF-3, PH-3 ect. |
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Has Boss actually improved a model?
