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Mesjoggah
Gold Member
Netherlands
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 Posted - 12/27/2009 : 19:43:01
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I am thinking of buying one of these two, who's familiar with these and can tell me the pro's and con's?
I was told that the're basically the same pedal but i wonder why they are both on the market if that's really the case? |
Edited by - Mesjoggah on 12/27/2009 21:09:21 |
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silvertone6120
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 12/27/2009 : 21:06:00
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| Don't know the specifics because I don't own either one, but I'm sure they're not the same pedal because one is a twin pedal and the other is a compact. |
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Mansun
Gold Member
Spain
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Posted - 12/28/2009 : 00:47:16
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| It was told around here that the RC-2 could be more versatil than the RC-20xl just with the addition of two control switches. Without them you're going to need to bend everytime you want to change something. In the twin it appears you can have more features than with the RC-2 alone, but less than the compact plus the two footswitches, as the twin has no 'remote' input. |
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hateandwar
Gold Member
Australia
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Posted - 12/28/2009 : 09:20:16
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I used to have the rc-20 xl. But I got rid of it because it was too large and I didn't use it much. (A little hipocritical because I swapped it for a re-20, thanks defrag)
And im now getting an rc-2, because I kinda miss having a looper.
As far as I know, they are the same thing besides the fact that on the twin, it has the tap tempo footswitch for the drum loops. I had it connected with an extra footswitch to cycle through the phrases I had saved on it. |
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Right Foot Boss
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 12/28/2009 : 12:27:33
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The XL can use a remote switch and also has a couple functions the RC-2 doesn't. Reverse mode, fade out of loop, and a slow down of loop function, also I think it has different drum patterns built in. It is also supposed to sense when the loop should stop if you pressed it late or early.
But don't take my word for it, take Johnny DiMarco's
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2009 : 13:44:56
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If you do end up getting the RC-2, do yourself a favour and get an FS-6 for use with it. It makes it much easier to use.... although that means you're taking up almost as much space as an RC-20XL... I haven't used the RC-20XL so I can't really compare functionality between the two pedals.
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 12/28/2009 : 14:18:11
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| I have both. THe RC-2 isnt really usable without the external foot switches, but excellent with them. THe RC-20XL is the one on my board though because it seems to be easier to use. |
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Mansun
Gold Member
Spain
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Posted - 12/29/2009 : 00:44:33
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Originally posted by Right Foot Boss
The XL can use a remote switch and also has a couple functions the RC-2 doesn't. Reverse mode, fade out of loop, and a slow down of loop function, also I think it has different drum patterns built in. It is also supposed to sense when the loop should stop if you pressed it late or early.
But don't take my word for it, take Johnny DiMarco's
RC-2
RC-20XL
That's a cool feature I didn't know about. I'm again confused about which one I should purchase. |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2009 : 04:02:05
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Originally posted by Mansun
I'm again confused about which one I should purchase.
Just be safe and cover all possibilities... buy an RC-50  |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 12/29/2009 : 05:58:02
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Originally posted by natthu
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Originally posted by Mansun
I'm again confused about which one I should purchase.
Just be safe and cover all possibilities... buy an RC-50
 
Funny natthu
You realize, that those RC-50's look about 6 foot (2m) long
when you're standing in front of one.
A bit like that Boss TU-1000 surfboard sized tuner.
An RC-2 with an FS-6, or a couple of FS-5U's is probably the best overall compromise.
You can make a work-alike of the dual foot-switches to use with the RC-2.
They have to be (NC) normally closed momentary non-latching types.
For my first set, I put a couple of switches, (like the ones on old kitchen fridge doors for the light)
into a small project case & wired them into a stereo plug.
Worked up until I found an FS-6 at a local junk store.
Regards Dr. Bob  |
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Mesjoggah
Gold Member
Netherlands
595 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2009 : 07:00:39
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Erik dP
Silver Member
Sweden
150 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2009 : 10:12:08
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Choise of looper depends on what you need it for. If it is home practice with arrangements there is a lot of loopers out there. RC-2 is one of few that has built in drums (XL has some click-tracks as I recall). The RCs have memories to store your arrangements. Both loops in mono.
If you only need a short looping feature without possibility to store the arrangement the DD-7 and DD-20 have around 20 sec looping time in stereo. In this case you also have delay functionality (but not at the same time I think).
Digitech Jam-man seems to be more advanced with changable memory cards.
Digitech also has a DD-20-lookalike with the same functions but also strumming tempo and strumming pattern functionality of delays. It also seems easier to understand than the DD-20.
Line 6 has a 4-switch pedal with a lot of storing, jam along, features. One of the buttons let you cycle through 3 (or 4?) different sets of switch setups. It includes a lot of effects.
One of the most intresting devices, if you don't need storing of arrangements, is the smaller (than the M13) M9 that has loads of effects built in, and can be used at the same time as the looper. I would probably check this one out if I was looking for a looper today.
One interesting device is the Adrenalinn III. It has a tempo based looper. It is more of a delay actually. It has a built in drum machine that works with the delay, and erases the loop just as a delay would do. Here is a link to an audio sample:
http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/products/adrenalinn3/audio/DelayLoops/Delay_loop_2_bars,country_beat,P178,D57_at_87_BPM.mp3
The drums works with all built in effects, and there are a lot of those. Also, as I recall, the drum sounds can be triggered from e.g. a digital drum set.
I have the RC-2, but find myself using the DD-20 more often. It may be because it is closer to my feet, and now I have gotten used to it more than the RC-2.
There are a lot more loopers such as the Boomerang. You can find more looper info on Loopers Delight:
http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2009 : 13:49:56
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Originally posted by Dr. Bob
You realize, that those RC-50's look about 6 foot (2m) long
when you're standing in front of one.
So does the pile of money you need to buy one!
I don't know Dr. Bob, I kinda like the ridiculous over-the-top size of the RC-50. There's nothing like a massive pedal to make you look like you're a serious musician (sadly, I probably wouldn't sound like one if I tried to use the RC-50).
I'd like to try the RC-50 to see if I could get it to synch up nicely with all my other MIDI gear (Computer, Eventides and future purchase Moog MIDI MuRF). Perhaps I'll just have to drag all my gear down to my local guitar shop and see if they'll let me have a go...
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