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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
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 Posted - 11/18/2005 : 10:46:23
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In what way does modded Boss-pedals value be affected of the mod?
I can for sure tell that a Keeley-modded SP-1 would be worth less than an un-modded.
But if we take a BD-2, a modded one by Keeley would of course be worth more today than an unmodded, but 10-15 years ahead?
And if Stinkfoot has modded a BD-2? I would think that a Keeley would be worth more than the Stinkfoot, even if Stinkfoots is better. This because Keeley is more �known� than Stinkfoot.
Another scenario: I mod a BD-2 much better than Keeley but I am sure that I can�t sell it for more than an �original� Keeley.
Is it possible in the future that a modded pedal would fetch more than an unmodded??
If so, what models do you think?
Edit: I�m talking about collecting value here, not playing value.
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Sunburst
Silver Member
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Posted - 11/18/2005 : 11:18:39
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I think its really up to what you want from the pedal. If you collect a certain brand, then of course any kind of modification no matter what, will reduce the value the pedal has to you.
I am against modifying vintage gear, period.
But when it comes to doing a Keeley modification on a taiwanese DS-1, then of course the user will benefit from that as he recieves a better pedal after the modification is done. |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2005 : 11:30:46
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But can�t there be a future collecting market for Keeley-modded Bosses??
By the way I�m also against modding vintage gear, but where goes the border??? |
Edited by - Goran on 11/18/2005 11:36:48 |
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Sunburst
Silver Member
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Posted - 11/18/2005 : 12:07:32
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Personally I dont think there will be a collectors market for modified Boss pedals, even though they may rise in price as time goes by, or when modifications themselves are discontinued. Thats just because the modifications are good and they have good sound.
Its like modified vintage guitars. I dont think that someone would want to collect pre-CBS Fender Stratocasters with Floyd Rose tailpieces. The only reason one would buy such a guitar is because its the only way they can obtain some "Old Wood" financially, and to perhaps restore it as good as possible.
I think the border goes where any modification you do can be reversed without a trace, or altering of the original product.
With guitars for example, a refret wont damage vintage value if done properly and instead makes for a good playing instrument. I guess with pedals its another thing, because it involves changing components inside the pedal. |
Edited by - Sunburst on 11/18/2005 12:17:39 |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2005 : 12:20:19
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| Good point Sunburst! I agree to 100%! |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2005 : 15:50:02
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I don't see any future collectors value in modded pedals but I could be wrong.
It looks like the average modded pedal is already fetching less than unmodded pedals. If it is the latest mod by Analogman or Keeley they usually go for a little more than unmodded but the current owner will suffer a bigger loss considering the price he originally paid. |
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Jill Valentine
Bronze Member
USA
116 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2005 : 21:01:17
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I also believe that the unmodded pedal will always be worth more than a modded. The only reason I would ever buy a modded pedal would be to gig with it. Other than that I have no interest in mods.
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dm-2
Bronze Member
Ireland
81 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2005 : 14:44:22
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I agree that most modded pedals will never be worth as much as their unmodded counterparts but I think there are exceptions. Obviously the Keeley BD-2 or TR-2 are two examples.
However, I think that pedals that Keeley no longer mods will increase in value, for example, the Keeley CS-2. Now I could be wrong but I would imagine that if a this pedal went up on eBay, it would finish significantly higher than a stock CS-2. |
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visserman
Platinum Member
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Posted - 11/19/2005 : 20:00:44
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I agree with dm-2's words. From the moment Robert Keeley entered the pedalscene another collectable brand of pedals was born: Pedals made by the man himself.
Who is interested in those pedals? People interested in tone, and their numbers are growing since there is so much information about this subject available today. |
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tonesage
Copper Member
USA
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Posted - 01/02/2010 : 05:54:38
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when it comes to collector and vintage values there is no 'border'. there will always be a market for unmolested items of ANY vintage, provided there was a demand for such an item in the first place. that being said, there will also be a parallel-but mutually exclusive- market for items that have been "improved" by third party modifications. the other parallel market that is also exclusive will be the one where purveyors of SOUND rule the roost! if there are 70 to 80 percent of this category that loved the sound of a stinkfoot mod over a keeley mod, even though there are more keeley pedals to be had, the stinkfoot will be worth more.
case in point; the patent number gibson humbucker pickups that were installed in SG's and ES335's between 1962-64 are considered to be the BEST SOUNDING PAF type pickup, even though they are not a PAF. these pickups were made the exact same way as PAF's but there was a better quality control that mades sure that they had the same amount of turns or length of magnet wire. every now and then one will luck up on a PAF with that sweet BFG "pearly gates" tone, but this is a very rare occurrence.however, the WORST SOUNDING PAF will be worth more than the best '62-'64 example. now you can take that bad sounding PAF and wax it and it will probably sound better than any of the others listed, but will be worth less than almost all of them.
are you in the business of making sounds inspire your music or your pocketbook?
this is the ultimate question. |
Edited by - tonesage on 01/02/2010 06:00:55 |
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aaronharmon
Silver Member
USA
271 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2010 : 06:08:47
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From my own perspective, I agree. The unmolested parts will be worth more. The closer the part/pedal/etc. is the original, the more it will be worth. Keeley's mods are replicable and will still be replicable long after he quits doing them.
As far as saying that it's o.k. as long as it's not a vintage pedal, well... They will all be vintage pedals at some point. 20 years from now, people could be looking for "vintage" dd-7s, who knows. |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2010 : 06:13:27
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Hi tonesage
Welcome to the forum from Australia.
With over 81,864 posts, it's easy to forget about these great old topics, thanks for reviving it.
Sadly some of the members are no longer active on the forum.
Regards Dr. Bob 
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2010 : 09:04:52
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A nearly five year old topic up again, amazing 
Sunburst, who writes above, is a friend of mine, not active anymore bur surely interested. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2010 : 11:46:25
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Welcome to the forum Tonesage and arronharmon....
Dr Bob is right some of these older topics are great...!!! personally i would rather get a clone of a vintage boss pedal than mod a classic...same way i didn't put a effects loop in my marshall or other vintage tube amps to use my rack...takes a bit more setting up on gigs going the wet/dry/wet route and carting the extra tube pre and poweramp around in the rack but it keeps the amps original sound and design intact... ..i'm not saying that people who mod pedals are wrong but is changing a cap to a slightly better quality going to impact on the tone all that much...? if you start changing the actual design of the pedal to something completely different that is a new ballgame....personally i think there is a lot of factors that build your tone..the guitar,amp,cables,pickups..? amount of pedals/effects between the guitar and amps input..? type of speakers in the amp ...? quality of the amp and guitar..?..etc...in my tonequest i've found speakers to be huge for tonal variances and as tonesage pointed out pickups can also make a big difference in the final outcome and of course even boss make some bad pedals that are tonesuckers or just not good sounding for the majority of people personally i've given up on the CS-3,DS-1..etc..all my boss stuff these days are mod/delay pedals...
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2010 : 14:00:23
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Originally posted by Goran
In what way does modded Boss-pedals value be affected of the mod?
I can for sure tell that a Keeley-modded SP-1 would be worth less than an un-modded.
But if we take a BD-2, a modded one by Keeley would of course be worth more today than an unmodded, but 10-15 years ahead?
And if Stinkfoot has modded a BD-2? I would think that a Keeley would be worth more than the Stinkfoot, even if Stinkfoots is better. This because Keeley is more �known� than Stinkfoot.
Another scenario: I mod a BD-2 much better than Keeley but I am sure that I can�t sell it for more than an �original� Keeley.
Is it possible in the future that a modded pedal would fetch more than an unmodded??
If so, what models do you think?
Edit: I�m talking about collecting value here, not playing value.
Well 5 years have passed has the value of any of these pedals gone up?I would say no they are still about evenly priced or just a bit lower or higher then the orginal counter part |
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PaulH
Gold Member
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Posted - 01/02/2010 : 15:01:36
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Original, unmodified, boxed will always be worth more than anything modified.
Personally, I don't see the point in the mods.
If you don't like, say a DS1, then buy something else.
Mods on pedals, or anything else, are all down to personal taste.
Hence resale prices will always drop.
I doubt if anyone can recoup the cost of the modification once the pedal is sold on.
Sell an unmodified, and you can pretty much get back what you paid for it. |
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