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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
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 Posted - 01/18/2009 : 00:07:23
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| In the last few years i have been very disapointed with most guitar players.Nobody in my opinion can really play anymore.Why do we always have to look at the past for great players.With every moron using bare chords and power chords for 99 percent of there playing style.With these cheap video games and guitar tab does anybody really learn how to play there instrument.I would love for somebody to show me a guitar player the is worth a legend status.That isn't already one |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
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Posted - 01/18/2009 : 01:46:48
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| I don't know if they are worthy of legendary status, but Matt Pike of High On Fire and Alexi Laiho of Children of Bodom are two of the newer guitar players I really think are, or will become, guitar heroes to many younger and newer players... |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2009 : 01:55:23
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| that is some of the boring stuff i am talking about.Those guys are just the flavor of the week.Nothing really impressive about them at all |
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Heart and Soul
Silver Member
USA
369 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2009 : 02:59:36
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i have plenty of guitar heroes...
Christian Fennesz
Oren Ambarchi
Kevin Drumm
Taku Sugimoto
Stephen O'Malley
but yeah none of these guys can do what you're talking about...but they're legendary to me because they all have distinct styles...as far as people actually have chops anymore i'm right with you... |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2009 : 04:30:15
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Originally posted by zerksies
that is some of the boring stuff i am talking about.Those guys are just the flavor of the week.Nothing really impressive about them at all
Flavor of the week, I know its a figure of speech, but those guys I mentioned have been around for at least 10 or more years, doing it the same way they've always done it, regardless of what the current trend is, was, or will be...So its either been a very long week for them, or their flavor lasts a lot longer than you think.
But like I said, some may not consider them legendary, but its what I like to listen to. I don't listen to music to be impressed, and for me it doesn't matter if they are impressive if they can't write or play a decent song. I used to live in Nashville, and I would see bands with impressive and talented musicians on their individual instruments, but the band as a whole sounded like crap...So I don't care if their playing can impress me if their music doesn't move or touch me in any way...
In reality, asking someone to point you out a legend who does not already have legendary status is like trying to predict which college athlete will become a legend in the pros. Most of the time its hard to tell, until they become it either through accomplishments, age, respect from others, and/or death, unless they are like Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods in their youth at the beginning of their pro careers, but then when someone is that good, its pretty obvious to everyone that they will be legendary....
Besides, why do we need a guitar Hero? I don't know where Eddie Van Halen fits in your definition of legendary, but many consider him to be legendary, and what was just as legendary as Eddie Van Halen's playing was the millions of Eddie Van Halen clones and wannabe's all of which whose note wanking sort of opened the door for some of the bar chord driven music because people got tired of watching guys stick their tongues out while playing with their wiggle sticks trying to become a legend like Eddie Van Halen...So I am sort of glad there is not just one main "Guitar Hero" these days cause then we'd have to put up with a lot of hero imitators... |
Edited by - jack on 01/18/2009 04:58:38 |
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 01/18/2009 : 05:01:29
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To see who the industry is propping up as guitar heroes, look to signature edition instruments (and other paraphenalia). Probably the most "heroic" still in (reasonable) action are Satch, Vai and Petrucci. EJ and EC are both still heavy blues hitters, as most of the old-time bluesmen are no longer with us. (BBKing still rules with his massive vibrato). I won't get started on EVH, who was once great, but has become even worse than the most hilarious malmsteen (drunken fat greedy narcissistic) parody.
Laiho et al. represent the pinnacle of their genre (note also his sig. guitar), and will be remembered in context. However good they are (and I include my fave, Mikael Akerfeldt here), they may not stand the test of time for true guitar heroism. As much as I love Adam Jones' epilady solos and drenched hi-gain tone, he's no guitar hero (Danny Carey IS a drum hero, however).
So who is there now? I fear Morello is past his prime, and Dimebag is no longer with us.  Who has iconic tone and feel.. and can transcend most genres and tastes with his (or her) tastiness?
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Heart and Soul
Silver Member
USA
369 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2009 : 07:29:18
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| and throw in that no one in modern popular music really has a soul either...personality goes a long way... |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2009 : 13:18:38
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Originally posted by zerksies
that is some of the boring stuff i am talking about.Those guys are just the flavor of the week.Nothing really impressive about them at all
Sort of leaning with Zerskies on this one... the is no individuality with a lot of these players,john mayer isn't bad even though his SRV infulence is very evident still....a lot of these guys wax on about not wanting to play guitar solos like the Edge(and i like his style..!) but whats he doing lately...guitar solos... or trying to.....but then edge grew up with rory gallagher and rory gave them support slots on some of his gigs so obviously some of it rubbed off...!! nothing wrong with EVH...the thriller album and 'beat it' certainly inspired me to pick up and start taking the guitar more seriously..but then in ireland profiency on an instrument is encouraged probably due to our strong traditional music scene and ther need to be proficent to play the music properly(and the fact that the legacy of Thin Lizzy and rory still looms long over a lot of people)...i'm not a believer in the "ya only need three chords man" school of music but i can see why punk was needed as the Prog Rock scene had become very overblown with 20 minute solos going nowhere(malmsteem is a wanker in this regard for all his skill)...but just as punk was needed back then maybe we need someone who can step out of the shadows and get kids to sit down and play again..one of the biggest bands to come through the maelstrom of punk and ska in the late 70's was Dire Straits...!! Jack talked about the Nashville scene and yep that can be every bit as bad with 'clones' as rock..maybe why Buddy Miller and T-Bone Burnett are in such big demand... i suppose what i'm trying to say is what i was taught... sometimes it's about what you DON'T play.... but a PRS and a Triple Rec and bashing away at power chords is every bit as bad as Malmsteen....when you look at the 'old skool' guitar players the all sound different form each other...Trower,Clapton,Beck(on another planet... )Page,McLaughlin,Gallagher..etc.... |
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timbo
Silver Member
Australia
252 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2009 : 13:36:13
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"'old skool' guitar players the all sound different form each other"
FRANZONI, I think you hit the nail on the head. IMHO most music today all sounds the same, overproduced garbage.
There is very little rock left. A prime example of this is big day out here in Australia where the headline act is Neil young who's been around since the 60's! Now don't get me wrong, I love Neil Young, I'm seeing him this week! But there are no big name international rock artists on the bill thus I'm not paying $130+ to see a few Aussie bands I can see whenever. The last rock band I really liked was Wolfmother, who although they didn't do many solos they still rocked out, but then sold there souls for an faster tempo record...
I really think that soloing is now frowned upon. Even seeing bands locally no-one takes the spotlight even for a bar! Music these days is all about label income and radio friendly songs, even "rock" music. And they seem to be classing any old band with a guitar as rock too... |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2009 : 14:07:56
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| Well i am seeing that a few a agreeing with me on this.Most modern players have no originality.I mean to run down the few You have malsteen,VAi,Statch which i call the EVH clones,I mean they can realy play but not very inspiring.You have John Mayer, he's ok but not really great.You can pretty much put all theses modern metal players in the flock of sheep that they are.Not original at all.WIth there detuned,heavily distorted, palm muteing, power chord garbage.Unfortunately i can't stand his playing and the millions of clones that he has produced is tom morello.I am looking for a player that can do a changeing of guitar playing as we know it. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2009 : 14:10:37
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Originally posted by zerksies
Well i am seeing that a few a agreeing with me on this.Most modern players have no originality.I mean to run down the few You have malsteen,VAi,Statch which i call the EVH clones,I mean they can realy play but not very inspiring.You have John Mayer, he's ok but not really great.You can pretty much put all theses modern metal players in the flock of sheep that they are.Not original at all.WIth there detuned,heavily distorted, palm muteing, power chord garbage.Unfortunately i can't stand his playing and the millions of clones that he has produced is tom morello.I am looking for a player that can do a changeing of guitar playing as we know it.
who do you listen to...? what sort of people influenced you as a player starting out....?........ |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2009 : 19:37:26
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There are very few living legends, and as I stated before, most of the people who are living legends are pretty much recognized by everyone as being such, so you would already know about them or have heard of them. To pick out someone who will become legendary is difficult, and to say today who will be considered a legend in the future is difficult. If you feel there are no modern day guitar hero's, then use this to inspire yourself to become the modern day guitar hero for the masses.
Personally, I think the less heroes there are to follow, the more people have to lead themselves...but then again, I just have horrible memories of every guitar magazine teaching you how to tap because thats what everybody thought you had to do to be a guitar hero at a certain point in time, and I already mentioned the millions of clones  |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2009 : 23:23:57
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
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Originally posted by zerksies
Well i am seeing that a few a agreeing with me on this.Most modern players have no originality.I mean to run down the few You have malsteen,VAi,Statch which i call the EVH clones,I mean they can realy play but not very inspiring.You have John Mayer, he's ok but not really great.You can pretty much put all theses modern metal players in the flock of sheep that they are.Not original at all.WIth there detuned,heavily distorted, palm muteing, power chord garbage.Unfortunately i can't stand his playing and the millions of clones that he has produced is tom morello.I am looking for a player that can do a changeing of guitar playing as we know it.
who do you listen to...? what sort of people influenced you as a player starting out....?........
Well right now i am not really listening to anybody.I few week ago i bought a jim campilongo cd that is about that.What i use to listen to as a kid growing up i would listen to Junior brown,Muddy Waters,Willie Dixon,George Thorogood,Joe Pass just to name a few |
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DarrinPA
Silver Member
USA
221 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2009 : 23:31:21
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To me, a guitar legend or soon to be is someone who can strike one note and I can say "That has got to be [insert name here]".
Whether it's a chorus/phasey sound of Andy Summers - who is already a legend.
Or the on note followed by 6 seconds of amazing sounding delay of The Edge - who's legend status is in question.
Or the digital screeching of Tom Morello's tone - not a legend yet but my guess he will be in time.
Legends are something that can't always be recognized at the time. Looking back "there were so many legends" but they weren't legends back then. It's just that the not so greats who were also famous back then have been forgotten. |
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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/19/2009 : 00:19:12
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I can kind of see both sides to the argument here. For me there are two kinds of guitar heroes.
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There's guitarists with amazing playing ability ability. My examples of this would be SRV, Slash, Tom Morello, Eric Clapton etc, etc
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Then there are guitarists who play exactly what a song needs, but may or may not, struggle to riff it up with the best of them. My examples of these would be Mick Jones, Tom Morello, The Edge etc, etc.
In conclusion to my starting point, Tom Morello is my guitar hero.
Continuing, I do agree that the number of classic guitar heroes (guitarists that would fit in category number 1) are sparse. It does seem that people don't have to bleed for their art like the had to in the older days, and therefore don't require the technical ability that may have been required many years ago. With the dawn of the digital era, bands can get their music to the global public literally five minutes after recording their first rehershal via myspace or what ever. Record labels are falling over themselves to sign 'the next big thing'. (....just a band - SP) This is not to say that the guitarists in these bands will not fit into my modern guitar hero category (Number 2), and on occaisoin category Number 1.
So to sum up completely, everyone has their own opinion, and it's up to you to weed out the trash. But during the time I was writing this, I failed to think of a guitarist who has emerged in the last five years that I would slot into my first category.
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2009 : 01:13:41
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In the last five years to compare with those guys..... nah no one coming close.......Eric Johnson is another player with a unique sound that has been ripped off by a lot of players including Joe Bonamassa......the best thing i can see is the re-emergence of Jeff Beck in the last few years...and i have tickets for him in june when he comes to Dublin..... .......... |
Edited by - FRANZONI on 01/19/2009 01:14:16 |
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The world needs a guitar Hero
