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verivorax
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Canada
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  15:21:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Kaz has this BF-2 up for grabs.. I've never seen a 5-digit stamped serial number. It makes me wonder if they kept using the same stamp and which Roland employee thought "hey, let's stamp little paper labels instead!"


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The decoder reads "10300" as the same as "0300". Maybe someone turned the first digit on the stamp from a blank to a "1" and it's a unique rarity!

So.. is this real? Anyone seen this before? How many ended up with this kind of serial?? Which other crossover models exist like this? OD-1, PH-1 and 1r, DS-1, etc

Dr. Bob
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Australia
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  15:26:44  Show Profile  Visit Dr. Bob's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi verivorax

That's a really interesting find.
You have good observational skills.

Regards Dr. Bob
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sp-1
Platinum Member

Germany
1454 Posts
Posted - 12/09/2008 :  15:49:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It runs on Battely too
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verivorax
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Canada
1185 Posts
Posted - 12/09/2008 :  16:40:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Dr. Bob

sp-1:

All of Kaz's posts are full of great Engrish.. something like this in every post:

"The other parts are original and A Super-Hot item working perfectly!Thankyou for looking at my auction!"

All said, if there's something rare you want, kaz may be your man.
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bossarea
Forum Admin

United Kingdom
3652 Posts
Posted - 12/09/2008 :  19:04:09  Show Profile  Visit bossarea's Homepage  Reply with Quote
There's a few 5 digit pedals around. I've only seen BF-2, GE-6 and CS-1s with 5 digit serial numbers so far. Not sure if any of these ever had 4-digit numbers starting with 0.
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verivorax
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Canada
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  20:52:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
you mean at all? I have a CS-1 #0500 (bought off StratoSphere on ebay before I knew about this place)..
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zerksies
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USA
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Posted - 12/10/2008 :  01:03:01  Show Profile  Send zerksies an AOL message  Click to see zerksies's MSN Messenger address  Send zerksies a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
that sure is a rare on MIJ with SS. I have had many MIJ Bf-2 But none Wif SS
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Big Boss Man
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USA
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Posted - 12/10/2008 :  02:19:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by verivorax

you mean at all? I have a CS-1 #0500 (bought off StratoSphere on ebay before I knew about this place)..


Hey, I sold a CS-1 to StratoSphere a year or two ago.
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verivorax
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Canada
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Posted - 12/10/2008 :  02:21:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, it's 8/10 cosmetically and #0500 - but with a black screw. I'm so tempted to stick an SS on there..
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Right Foot Boss
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USA
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Posted - 12/10/2008 :  14:15:50  Show Profile  Visit Right Foot Boss's Homepage  Send Right Foot Boss an AOL message  Reply with Quote
I also purchased a pedal that I believe was from Strato. A TW-1 with a 5 digit ink stamped serial 10100. It should be a silver screw but it does not have one, nor does it have a thumb cut box top.

Weird how there is so many coincidences in this thread.
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verivorax
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Canada
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Posted - 12/10/2008 :  14:36:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This 5-digit thing is intriguing me now, and I think I need to find myself an example for the collection..

Is your #10100 TW-1 a TOUCH wah, or had they changed it by that point?

Also, I'm presuming that the 5-digit ink stamps are LATER than the usual final ink stamp #0500.. would that put most of them @ April 1981?

RightFootBoss - can you get a rough date from your TW-1 off pots or ICs?
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Right Foot Boss
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USA
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Posted - 12/10/2008 :  15:13:58  Show Profile  Visit Right Foot Boss's Homepage  Send Right Foot Boss an AOL message  Reply with Quote
It is a T-wah from Dec. 1980.

I admit I don't know what ICs or pots are but after looking at every little component inside the pedal I see nothing resembling a date.
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verivorax
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Canada
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Posted - 12/10/2008 :  15:58:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting.. I think that #10100 shouldn't show the same as #0100.. it seems more likely that it's between #0500 and the first paper labels (April 81). I can't find the decoder for JRC4558 date codes, but that usually places pedal production within a few months.

Hey, if you want to get rid of that T-wah....

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bossarea
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United Kingdom
3652 Posts
Posted - 12/11/2008 :  17:45:59  Show Profile  Visit bossarea's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen any pedals with 10300, 10400 or 10500. All 5 digit pedals seem to be 10000, 10100 or 10200. Maybe some pedal's version numbers went 9900 10000, 10100, 10200, 0300, 0400, 0500?

I got a 10000 GE-6 and a 10100 CS-1. I'll see if I can pull out some component codes and compare them to other pedals from the same period.
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verivorax
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Canada
1185 Posts
Posted - 12/12/2008 :  02:19:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's nerdy reasons like this that I like collecting. damn.

Thanks for looking into it, bossarea.

We need to find an old Roland employee who can give us the rundown of how things went in the late 70s and early 80s.
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bossarea
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United Kingdom
3652 Posts
Posted - 12/12/2008 :  11:15:42  Show Profile  Visit bossarea's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I keep hoping that a retired Japanese design engineer will one day register on the forum and tell us the answer to all the questions we have.
Probably wishful thinking
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