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starr36
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Canada
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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  01:06:49  Show Profile  Visit starr36's Homepage  Reply with Quote
In the early 90's guitar player magazine had an incredibly funky "13-way" switch mod that involved removing the 2nd tone control (the one wired to the bridge pickup) and replacing it with a triple pole rotary switch of some sort. The end result was that it worked WITH the 5 way, and allowed you to select in-phase and out of phase and run all three pickups together. I tried finding it on the net but no luck. I am going to see if the fella who did it, still has the diagram and parts list. ANYHOO for those of you who have some MIJ stratocaster, this is the most effective tonal mode EVER for a strat without spending really any money at all, except say $20 for the switch. I'll see if I can get a scan of it.

zerksies
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USA
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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  01:55:07  Show Profile  Send zerksies an AOL message  Click to see zerksies's MSN Messenger address  Send zerksies a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
that would be interesting to the the diagram of that
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Disco Stu
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USA
303 Posts

Posted - 02/13/2009 :  05:59:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't know for sure if the 13-Way is covered there, but there are definitely a whole bunch of informative guitar wiring tidbits in his website...

He's got some random nutty stuff about guitars there; you might have fun looking at it

www.deaf-eddie.net

Enjoy!

-- Disco Stu
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Goran
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Sweden
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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  08:49:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I remember this!
There is a little chance taht it is in one of my Guitar-related binders, I will have a look.
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starr36
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Canada
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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  09:33:19  Show Profile  Visit starr36's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Goran ... i think we need to change the spelling of your name to GURU!

I haven't heard back from the other guy ... but he's up to his waist in guitar stuff filling his basement ...

dangit .. i fell for it again, trying to swat the bug crawling on my screen

Edited by - starr36 on 02/13/2009 09:34:54
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starr36
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Canada
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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  09:43:41  Show Profile  Visit starr36's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Disco Stu

I don't know for sure if the 13-Way is covered there, but there are definitely a whole bunch of informative guitar wiring tidbits in his website...

He's got some random nutty stuff about guitars there; you might have fun looking at it

www.deaf-eddie.net

Enjoy!

-- Disco Stu


Yep similar to this ... i recall the GP wiring refered to "series" "parallel" and "in phase" and "out of phase" settings ... but yes similar to what deaf eddie is doing here.

Edited by - starr36 on 02/13/2009 09:44:04
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Witloofboer
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Belgium
513 Posts

Posted - 02/13/2009 :  12:48:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
PRS makes a strat with 13 positions.

http://www.prsguitars.com/513/index.html
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Laurie
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Canada
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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  14:39:32  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I've often wondered why more guitars don't come with a series/parallel switch. One of the key features of Brian May's tone with the Red Special is that the pickups are in series.

Any one have any insights as to why this isn't more popular?
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zestystrat
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USA
283 Posts

Posted - 02/13/2009 :  15:36:57  Show Profile  Visit zestystrat's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Interesting take from PRS.

I have a 91 custom 24 with the 5 rotary switch. Has a little bit of that cluck and quack but in the end I bailed and went for the strats well G&L's anyway.

I know that G&L has the S-500 which has a similar single coil take on the 13 settings and the prs.

Not sure of the details but I'm sure someone with more electronic knowledge would be able to compare and contrast.
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starr36
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Canada
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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  17:16:48  Show Profile  Visit starr36's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Laurie

I've often wondered why more guitars don't come with a series/parallel switch. One of the key features of Brian May's tone with the Red Special is that the pickups are in series.

Any one have any insights as to why this isn't more popular?



It baffles me why these more "exotic" features were never widely incorporated - I can only guess that the manufacturers just assumed that everyone wanted the beefy Les Paul tone, the classic strat sounds, and whatnot. And as you know, switches and extra wires really do not add much cost, its the pickups and active electronics that are expensive in the guitars
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Witloofboer
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Belgium
513 Posts

Posted - 02/13/2009 :  17:59:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Fender made guitars with many switches (Jaguar, Jazzmaster), but only few people use the rythm setting. That's why nobody else makes such 'advanced' switching systems.
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sp-1
Platinum Member

Germany
1454 Posts

Posted - 02/13/2009 :  18:29:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
BC Rich always had lots of switches

http://www.bcrich.com/images/schematics/lrg_bich_87.jpg

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Witloofboer
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Belgium
513 Posts

Posted - 02/13/2009 :  18:59:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nice. I tought they made only (heavy-)metal gear with just one pickup.
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FRANZONI
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Ireland
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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  20:48:55  Show Profile  Visit FRANZONI's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Laurie

I've often wondered why more guitars don't come with a series/parallel switch. One of the key features of Brian May's tone with the Red Special is that the pickups are in series.

Any one have any insights as to why this isn't more popular?



Stuff like this is ok for the studio or messing about at home but you wouldn't have time on stage for going through the different settings for a specific tone...most(i say most but obviously there are people like Brian May and a few others who are exceptions to the rule) guitar players like things nice and simple on a gig......probably why strats,teles,LP's,335's etc are so popular...........

Edited by - FRANZONI on 02/13/2009 20:50:25
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zestystrat
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USA
283 Posts

Posted - 02/13/2009 :  21:01:21  Show Profile  Visit zestystrat's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Meanwhile there is a mod that Page did on a few of his LP's that he used live.

They did a write up in GP a few months ago.

No switches but push pull knobs.

200th post!
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sp-1
Platinum Member

Germany
1454 Posts

Posted - 02/13/2009 :  21:26:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How about this one :
http://www.music-man.com/instruments/guitars/steve-morse.html



wiring diagram
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/banjopayer/div/Morse-wiring-diag.jpg




Congrats zestystrat
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