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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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 Posted - 02/07/2008 : 10:01:43
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the only bummer with the DD-3 is the dry out is beside the input..not really the best place for connecting another lead out to an amp on a pedalboard.... ...... |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2008 : 20:56:18
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| Maybe I'll have an easier go at stereo with my new Ric-O-Sound! Not too soon, but it should prove interesting. |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2008 : 00:26:20
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hey Defrag.. to answer your question...
i had the CE-3 as the second last pedal in my chain and the RV-2 was last..
Output A of the RV-2 went to my Kustom Lead II
Output B of the RV-2 went to my little Silvertone
Output B of the CE-3 went to my 15 watt Marshall
and of course output A of the CE-3 went to the input of the RV-2..
the only problem was that i had to jimmy up a patch cord going from the 2nd output of the CE-3 to the Marshall but the cord wouldnt fit properly between the CE-3 and RV-2 so the RV-2 would always be really crooked. guess i could have bought an "L" shape cord.. |
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Right Foot Boss
Gold Member
USA
881 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2008 : 01:44:37
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For even more stereo fun use a little stereo mixer for your pedals. That way you can also make use of the otherwise unused stereo outputs from pedals that are placed before a mono input pedal.
I use two, could use three and probily will, but I need to get more cables. |
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Iversen
Bronze Member
Denmark
111 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2008 : 21:05:29
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If chorus is too warbly for you, perhaps the sweet and (analog, mind you!) spaciousness of the DC-2 will make you regret even more that you waited this long before going stereo. 
I love mine. It doesn't really do anything for me in mono, but once you use it for stereo you'll wonder why BOSS ever stopped the production and how you could ever do without it. There's nothing out there that sounds like it.  |
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slideman
Copper Member
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Posted - 02/11/2008 : 14:31:27
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| I never realized the DC-2 had a stereo out jack...I guess because I was never really looking for it. Now, you really have me thinking if I should drop some $ for one...(my wife is going to kill me (again!) |
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Shoegazers Anonymous
Silver Member
Sweden
257 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2008 : 20:42:48
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I tested my DC-3 in mono (to amp) but with a plug without cable in the stereo output. The effect was cool. It pitch my tone in some settings and adds a little small delay that is soo smooth and nice. I love it in that way. With setting level and eq at max, rate at minimum and depth at maximum it sounds like a three in one effect. Change the rate setting to middle and it pitch your tone like a old tape echo. Feels a little bad about writing my secret weapon here, but I have to let you know. Try it and tell me what you think?  |
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visserman
Platinum Member
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Posted - 02/14/2008 : 17:25:03
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Originally posted by DeFrag
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Originally posted by pedals 4 pv
Hi slideman welcome to the forum. I have a RV-3 and a CH-1 and I played with stereo a bit, but not as much since I got my tube amp (still learning the subleties of it). I also have a DD-5 which has a panning out, for two amps. The possibilities are vast, as you can put so many different combinations of pedals together. This is just one of the many reasons why pedals are superior to multi-effects units.
I am NOT for or against multi-effect units. There is some difficulty implementing a pedalboard that contains single effect units where most of them are mono-input only & but a few actually have stereo outputs.
Here's a quick example:
Say I have a BF-3 Flanger & a DD-5 Delay. I run my signal into the BF-3 & out the 2 outputs provided. The DD-5 only has a mono-input. So what is to be done with the 2nd output from the BF-3? Should you have a subchain that carries only the "Right" channel or "Direct" outputs? This would mean maybe that you wouldn't be able to delay that sub-chain.
If you compound the problem with a full pedalboard like I have, the only way around the supposed issue is to have a little mini patch panel that "collects" all the secondary outputs & subsequently feeds them into your right mixer/PA channel or (2nd) amplifer.
What if you have an RV-5 with stereo inputs & stereo outputs? I could run the BF-3 into the RV-5 perfectly right? What could be done with a PS-5 Pitch Shifter secondary output if it sat before the BF-3? It quite obviously can't plug into the RV-5 input.. that's already fed from both BF-3 outputs. A dilemma to be sure. I wish that ALL Boss pedals had stereo in/outs. Cable expense would be higher sure, but I think the propagation of stereo channels would be simplified.
I state all this because even though I'm not necessarily a proponent of multi-effects units & love my indvidual Boss pedals, there IS an advantage to using a multi-effects unit in that all the stereo for the most part, is handled for you & simply enjoy a mono input with a Left & Right output.. easy.
Here's a link to an earlier post I made about my pedalboard & my little Stereo "collector" Switchcraft jack-panel:
http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2000
Slideman, I hope I've helped instead of confused you. Welcome to the forum.. I think you'll like it here! 
Hello DeFrag,
You raise some very good points here and there are no easy solutions for them. I run into them every day. I use 4 amps, but still cannot use all the stereo-outs, tend to use mono-outs and 2 Y boxes which go into two amps at a time.
The 2-ins-outs work very well if you are only using 2 or 3 pedals at a time, try any larger set-up and it becomes a compromise.
Welcome to the world of single compact pedals we all here seem to embrace!!! |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2008 : 19:54:08
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Thanks visserman but actually, the only solution I have found is the use of a simple Stereo "collector" Switchcraft jack-panel as specified in the following thread:
http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2000.
In essence, it uses 4 jacks that "collect" the Stereo outputs from all the pedals on my board that has secondary outputs. For instance, the main outputs of my Flanger, Delay, & Chorus run through the chain normally. The secondary outputs of these pedals plug into the 4-jack collector indicated by the black lines in this diagram:
So the main signal feeds one amp (or the left channel of my PA mixer), whereas the stereo collector feeds another amp (or the right channel). This configuration insures that full advantage of multiple stereo pedal outputs are utilized within the sound field for true spatial ambience, ping-pong delays left & right.. no matter the order of the effects. I've not seen another solution at all. My idea not only works well, its simple & cheap too.
Try it out for yourself by soldering a handful of mono jacks together in a matrix, run your secondary signals into it, & be sure to leave one jack for the matrix output to feed your other amp. You'll love it!
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pedals 4 pv
Platinum Member
Canada
1351 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2008 : 11:52:24
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I tried this out, DeFrag, but I don't love it at all I am using a DD-5 and a RV-3, and I have to use a mixer to seperate the two different outputs. If the stereo out signal from the RV-3 is mixed with the panning out signal from the DD-5(mode 7), it defeats the panning effect of the DD-5 and the second amp sounds like mud. |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2008 : 23:09:56
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| Bummer. Maybe it only sounds good when I do it.. er I mean with certain pedals. |
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pedals 4 pv
Platinum Member
Canada
1351 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2008 : 00:15:45
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Originally posted by DeFrag
Bummer. Maybe it only sounds good when I do it.. er I mean with certain pedals.
I tried my CH-1 and it does it too. It only does it if you use the panning effect on the DD-5, for every thing else it works fine, but I really like the panning effect. Try it with your DD-5, mode 7, when the panning out signal combines with the stereo out signal the second amp goes all muddy, if you disconnect the output B on the stereo pedals it clears up. |
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visserman
Platinum Member
1072 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2008 : 11:32:46
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Originally posted by DeFrag
Thanks visserman but actually, the only solution I have found is the use of a simple Stereo "collector" Switchcraft jack-panel as specified in the following thread:
http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2000.
In essence, it uses 4 jacks that "collect" the Stereo outputs from all the pedals on my board that has secondary outputs. For instance, the main outputs of my Flanger, Delay, & Chorus run through the chain normally. The secondary outputs of these pedals plug into the 4-jack collector indicated by the black lines in this diagram:
So the main signal feeds one amp (or the left channel of my PA mixer), whereas the stereo collector feeds another amp (or the right channel). This configuration insures that full advantage of multiple stereo pedal outputs are utilized within the sound field for true spatial ambience, ping-pong delays left & right.. no matter the order of the effects. I've not seen another solution at all. My idea not only works well, its simple & cheap too.
Try it out for yourself by soldering a handful of mono jacks together in a matrix, run your secondary signals into it, & be sure to leave one jack for the matrix output to feed your other amp. You'll love it!
Enjoy
Hi there,
I see what you mean, and yes I can get that panning sound as well using my wiringoptions.
I guess what I do not like is this: When playing with distortion I do not like panning. Any song requires a different set-up, and this is fine for recording, but for live-use you need to compromise things.
I find the mono-outputs are best when you go for distorted sounds, for ambient and other sounds the stereo-outs are great.
Pedals 4 PV, the muddy amp scenario, is that perhaps the DRY/EFFECT mode? When you use this mode you get what you described, and yes good for ambient things, but for straight rock-sounds you feel one of your amps has died on you.
Overal I feel, you need to think ahead of the sounds you want and set up your pedals [and amps] accordingly. That is why I do not use a pedalboard, as I am forever patching and repatching and changing things. |
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pedals 4 pv
Platinum Member
Canada
1351 Posts |
Posted - 02/19/2008 : 01:03:48
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Originally posted by visserman
Hi there,
I see what you mean, and yes I can get that panning sound as well using my wiringoptions.
I guess what I do not like is this: When playing with distortion I do not like panning. Any song requires a different set-up, and this is fine for recording, but for live-use you need to compromise things.
I find the mono-outputs are best when you go for distorted sounds, for ambient and other sounds the stereo-outs are great.
Pedals 4 PV, the muddy amp scenario, is that perhaps the DRY/EFFECT mode? When you use this mode you get what you described, and yes good for ambient things, but for straight rock-sounds you feel one of your amps has died on you.
Overal I feel, you need to think ahead of the sounds you want and set up your pedals [and amps] accordingly. That is why I do not use a pedalboard, as I am forever patching and repatching and changing things.
Hi visserman, Yes in the E/D mode 7, the signal is direct to the main amp and delayed in the secondary amp. If the secondary amp recieves the direct signal from another pedal at the same time as the delayed signal from the CE-5 the secondary amp goes all muddy. I think I'll go with an A/B switch also, I use a little mixer now, but there is too much bending over involved.
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2008 : 10:02:59
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I'm starting to wonder if everything needs to run in stereo..... i have thought about just getting a DD-6 and a RV-5 and just running the CH-1 into the stereo inputs on the delay and into the reverb...this would probably be the simplest solution for a stereo setup ..i'm not 100% convinced that the rest of the effects have to be stereo...i could never see how i would use something like a stereo tremolo or phaser,flanger etc...but thats just me and my style of music..... it would be easier if boss just released a range of effects with stereo in/outs...i.e modulation and delay compacts rather than just the twin effects.... .. a little off topic but i noticed that the CE-20 is hitting some very low prices in the shops and in the small ads here..maybe it would have been a better bet for boss if this pedal was a all round modulation pedal instead..... |
Edited by - FRANZONI on 02/20/2008 10:03:56 |
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Stereo Effects Experimentation
