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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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 Posted - 11/15/2007 : 10:43:56
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Originally posted by Goran
OK, I asked the same question on a Swedish forum and here�s what I got:
Lead-free need higher temperature, hard to work with.
Looks grey even if the soldering joint is well done.
No problem mixing with lead solder, nothing bad can happen.
Can be purchased in the future, lead solder per se is not forbidden.
Some things can still use lead solder legally, like prototypes, medical devices, airplanes, cars and more
Hi Goran & guys
Like I said earlier, you really don't want to start me up on this subject.
But have you noticed on the above list, that the things that CAN USE Lead based solders, are the things that are life or mission critical.
I can hardly wait (not) until they start implementing RoHS on aircraft & in my new family vehicle. 
Not to mention the Life support & scanning equipment in my local Hospital.
I have just one RoHS pedal, so I can see what happens to it as time goes on.
Like I said, based on my experiences at the company that I work for
I would steer well away from RoHS equipment.
Or make sure you get the 5 year in home extended-replacement warranty
on your New LCD Home theater or domestic appliance, or what ever.
But I am always open to change,
show or prove to me that your RoHS product will out live my 10-20-30-40-50-60 year old equipment.
To date so far, I am seeing products fail in as little as 2 months.
I think RoHS is helping to make me a real Grumpy old man.
Please prove my experiences wrong.
Make sure that the components that you are using or repair-replacing are Temp. Stressed for the higher temperatures required for lead free soldering.
This is just another of the generally, little known a issues with RoHS.
Regards Dr. Bob  |
Edited by - Dr. Bob on 11/15/2007 10:51:03 |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 11:56:16
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Thats the first thing i noticed as well about your post goran....that the really important stuff is allowed to use lead based solder....i'm trying very hard not to be cynical here but i bow to the Dr Bob's superior knowledge on this subject and if as he says stuff is failing already after a couple of months,is the rush to use lead free solder all based on health and safety concerns or companies trying to boost market sales...?? i've noticed lately that a lot of shops here are openly breaking the law and won't give refunds or exchanges and if you push the issue they try to fob you off to the manufacturer..... i have to be honest here....if this is the case with the new manufacturering processes....i'm seriously starting to think that your better off with older gear..especially when it comes to anything to do with valves....pedals4pv wrote in another post that he is looking at a second hand peavey classic 30 amp...might be a good move if it's pre RoHS.. i think someone posted here before that pre RoHS stuff will become vintage gear in a few years..by the sound of things it might be sooner than that..... |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 11/15/2007 : 13:30:48
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| everyone is getting too crazy these days with safety. is lead solder really polluting that much? no more than the 4 million smokestacks around the world. i also believe that the quality of these effects will suffer. |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
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Posted - 11/15/2007 : 13:50:49
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I certainly hope Dr Bob�s prophetic thoughts above are wrong, but how often is Dr Bob getting electronic questions wrong�.
I can see a future when all new equipment fails rather quick, if a Telecaster needs to be resoldered most of us can do it, if mighty irritated, but if your big money re-issue Twin fails, I for one would spill some tears and scratch some hairs�
I took a look inside some of the new Boss pedals, and surely they looked like crappy soldered to me. And you know, Boss pedals have a very good reputation for good quality, either MIJ or MIT. We all know how seldom a Boss pedal breaks/start malfunctioning. In a topic about a year ago I think Bossarea predicted that in the future collectors would me more interested in pre and post RoHS than MIJ/MIT.
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 11/15/2007 : 13:52:40
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| I did a quick scout on my pedals..it looks like the twin tube,TR2 and one of the DD3'S are RoHS complient...the boss pedals i reckon are ok but the twin tube is a real valve pedal not like some of the other supposed valve overdrives and gets fairly warm in use....if this went belly up i would be up s**t creek as it has become a major part of my rig and it's a bit too expensive to carry a spare one around...... i carry my OD2 just in case in the gig bag but it was in case of a valve going inside the pedal,i would be very p**sed off if it was because of the solder joints... |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 16:07:06
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Hi Guys
Future pedal collectors ads on evilBay
DS-1 - MT-2 - CE-5
VINTAGE COLLECTABLE - All Pre RoHS
With Boxs and Manuals.
All Still working like New.
Starting Bids $2000.00 each
Seller Vintage-Killer-Bob
Next ad
10 Boss & Other assorted pedals
NOT WORKING
RoHS Compliant - Mid 2007
Starting Bid $0.99c
Like some others here, I really can see the day when
Pre-RoHS Lead Free pedals will be extremely collectible,
Still working & reliable.
We can only speculate what price, pedals like the SG-1 SP-1 VB-2 and other rarities will command
Regards Dr. Bob.
Anyone want to buy my Pre-RoHS CS-2 ? & a CE-2 or two?
I will be taking bids starting from $5000us each or better 
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
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Posted - 11/15/2007 : 17:10:23
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Originally posted by Dr. Bob
Hi Guys
Future pedal collectors ads on evilBay
DS-1 - MT-2 - CE-5
VINTAGE COLLECTABLE - All Pre RoHS
With Boxs and Manuals.
All Still working like New.
Starting Bids $2000.00 each
Seller Vintage-Killer-Bob
Next ad
10 Boss & Other assorted pedals
NOT WORKING
RoHS Compliant - Mid 2007
Starting Bid $0.99c
Like some others here, I really can see the day when
Pre-RoHS Lead Free pedals will be extremely collectible,
Still working & reliable.
We can only speculate what price, pedals like the SG-1 SP-1 VB-2 and other rarities will command
Regards Dr. Bob.
Anyone want to buy my Pre-RoHS CS-2 ? & a CE-2 or two?
I will be taking bids starting from $5000us each or better
I'm just sitting on my 10 pounds or so of Kester 63-37 because someday that stuff might be worth more than its weight in gold to modders and DIYers if this RoHs stuff keeps taking off... |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 23:49:24
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haha, i can see it now Dr Bob. im gonna stock up on pre 07 pedals just in case.
bling bling! |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2007 : 07:37:20
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Originally posted by StratoSphere
haha, i can see it now Dr Bob. im gonna stock up on pre 07 pedals just in case.
bling bling!
Hi Strato
What for man??? -- Most of the 07 stuff is already RoHS, check the newest stuff from Boss.
I just pray that Roland - Boss got it more right than the other manufactures...
Regards Dr. Bob |
Edited by - Dr. Bob on 11/16/2007 07:49:14 |
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