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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
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 Posted - 05/13/2009 : 03:08:20
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| I got 8 guitars here i set them all up the same with neck relief action,etc. But i find that a few seem to play diffirent.some better and some worse .do you guys notice any diffrences in your guitars |
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 05/13/2009 : 03:25:00
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some guitars will definitely need more relief to avoid buzz.. or less relief to avoid stiffness. No guitar is perfect, and really each one should be set up individually for its own qualities and faults.
I find every guitar I play gives me a totally unique feel - and I pick up a LOT of guitars in the retail world. It has to do with string spacing, the distance from the edge of the fretboard to the E's, whether or not the board is bound, the height of the frets, the material of the frets, if there is an inlay or not, rosewood, ebony, maple, wenge, pao ferro, carbon fibre, relative humidity, break angle at the headstock, overall mass, neck profile, neck finish, fret wear, fretboard radius, scale-length....etc. oh yeah, that intangible MOJO that some axes just have and others don't.
I also play a lot with round-core strings which impart superior flexibility compared to their hex-core counterparts - that makes a big difference in the way the guitar sets up in my experience. Maybe experiment with different tensions to get your guitars to feel more similar.. (or have them all PLEK'd at $400 each.. ) |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2009 : 01:11:57
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| i have mostly all fenders with the same neck shape. and they all play a little diffrently i was just wondering if you all notice stuff like that |
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kelmaur
Gold Member
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2009 : 03:39:39
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i have three Ibanez RG's one is an '87 and the other is a '90 and a '92
same models (550's)and they play different...different feel
with the exception of different p'ups....they all feel different from one another |
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ChristoMephisto
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 05/17/2009 : 04:57:46
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Fender suggests different relief for different necks
Neck Radius Relief
7.25" .012" (0.3 mm)
9.5" to 12" .008" (0.2 mm)
15" to 17" .010" (0.25 mm)
Then theres this guy two cents
There is no single measurement that represents ideal relief for all guitars. The most efficient degree of bow varies among individual instruments, and is also partly determined by strumming or picking styles and string choice. That said, a general guideline for jazz enthusiasts or those who enjoy fast, light picking might be a gap of .004 to .006 inches (.102-.152mm). Heavier strummers, rockers, or those who like lighter gauge strings will probably be happier with a gap that falls between .007 and .012 inches (.178-.305mm) to avoid unwanted string buzz.
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-do-i-check-the-relief-bow-in-my-guitar-neck.htm
and what verivorax suggested, mojo to each g'tar
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Mesjoggah
Gold Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 05/17/2009 : 10:42:14
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Originally posted by kelmaur
i have three Ibanez RG's one is an '87 and the other is a '90 and a '92
same models (550's)and they play different...different feel
with the exception of different p'ups....they all feel different from one another
Same here, i have three RG550's LTD from '94, 97 and '99 and a '00 'normal' RG550 and they all feel different. |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2009 : 19:56:14
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Originally posted by Mesjoggah
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Originally posted by kelmaur
i have three Ibanez RG's one is an '87 and the other is a '90 and a '92
same models (550's)and they play different...different feel
with the exception of different p'ups....they all feel different from one another
Same here, i have three RG550's LTD from '94, 97 and '99 and a '00 'normal' RG550 and they all feel different.
casue i got a about 4 strats and they all feel a little diffrent and they are all set up the same.with the same strings. anyone know how to make the string have less tension on them |
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
1185 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2009 : 04:38:21
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Easy on a Gibson with an adjustable stop-tail.. not so simple on a strat. You could try changing to ROUND-CORE strings, they offer a lower tension, or at least a more flexible feel for the gauge than standard HEXCORE strings.
Look at DR Tite-Fits or Pure Blues for roundcore goodness.
Another trick on the strat would be to get some adjustable string trees for the headstock - you could control the amount of break angle that way.
I wouldn't want every guitar to feel exactly the same..they all have their own personality. |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
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Posted - 05/18/2009 : 07:58:04
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With Fenders I always have a little relief, not as much as recommended by books etc.
With Gibsons, and the like, I prefer a straight neck for improved tone and stability. You have to set the strings a td higher but that�s worth the resulting tone.
This is no invention of mine; I read about it on Les Paul Forum and have used it since. It has to do with the rigidity and stability of the neck, as the neck is a big part of the sound/tone coming from a guitar. Something like a tuning fork effect.
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kelmaur
Gold Member
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2009 : 12:47:58
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Originally posted by zerksies
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Originally posted by Mesjoggah
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Originally posted by kelmaur
i have three Ibanez RG's one is an '87 and the other is a '90 and a '92
same models (550's)and they play different...different feel
with the exception of different p'ups....they all feel different from one another
Same here, i have three RG550's LTD from '94, 97 and '99 and a '00 'normal' RG550 and they all feel different.
casue i got a about 4 strats and they all feel a little diffrent and they are all set up the same.with the same strings. anyone know how to make the string have less tension on them
tune to E flat..woudnt be much less tension, but some |
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
1185 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2009 : 14:14:57
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totally straight neck does work nicely, but not so well on slab-style guitars like Strats and Teles.. It makes Gibsons more of a joy to setup I think, and reveals any neck/fret/heel/tongue issues immediately.
another idea..
If you're really anal you could weight the guitars and try to balance the weight of the body vs. neck of each.. Or look at that devices that help you increase the mass of your headstock. How the headstock flaps around while you're playing will affect the tension and feel of the instrument.
Also where the maple tree grew and for how long.. a spongier neck will respond very differently to tension. |
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