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jack
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boss freak
Gold Member
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 Posted - 08/05/2006 : 08:24:53
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The seller's opening bid is higher than the last few I've seen END at.  |
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Basstyra
Gold Member
France
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Posted - 08/05/2006 : 10:09:20
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Well... Did you REALLY look at the S/N ??
If this is not a Photoshop fake, I'll cut my both hands...  |
Edited by - Basstyra on 08/05/2006 10:10:17 |
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Basstyra
Gold Member
France
523 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2006 : 11:05:58
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Here, I made a close-up. It was allready obvious with the big picture, but here...
Plus... 
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This pedal has never been taken apart and I am not going to take it
apart to take inside pictures! Sorry!
And so, how do you know for sure it's a TA7136AP inside ?? 
Biggest and most obvious scam I ever saw... EDIT : well, maybe not... That's strange anyway.
But, there are set screws on the knobs, and obviously holes in the batterie compartiment (batterie wire don't go near the switch), which tends to prove it's not a recent pedal. Probably a real MIJ, and a real old one. So why this S/N fake ? |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/05/2006 : 12:25:30
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| I agree that the number doesn't look quite right but I still think it's an original silver screw DS-1. It's got the long dash on the front. That means it's older than mid 82. |
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Basstyra
Gold Member
France
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Posted - 08/05/2006 : 12:52:58
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| yes, it could be a genuine silver screw one. That makes the S/N even more strange, why lie on that ? |
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Austen
Bronze Member
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Posted - 08/05/2006 : 16:34:41
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No! Guys I think it's probably genuine.
Those early s/ns refer to "batches" right?
Well I have the exact same pedal. WITH THE SAME NUMBER!!!. The font and stamped looking ink style are identical.
I can post photos if you'd like, but trust me, it looks identical. |
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stahlhart
Platinum Member
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Posted - 08/05/2006 : 17:37:42
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This pedal has never been taken apart and I am not going to take it apart to take inside pictures! Sorry!
Oh, God forbid we inflict any microscopic paint chip damage on the four rare, precious screws holding the rare, precious bottom plate on. Even though there are already paint chips all over the rare, precious enclosure. And nothing even remotely resembling a static-sensitive component inside.
What an idiot.
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boss freak
Gold Member
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Posted - 08/07/2006 : 00:57:26
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| Yes, but we are getting into the whole cyclical batch numbering again here. 0100 does not necessarily mean that it was one of the first pedals to roll off the assembly line. |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/07/2006 : 12:03:15
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I don't think it was the number itself that was suspicious but rather how the digits looked a bit too clear and in focus on one of the pictures. They looked like the picture had been slightly photoshopped. Not sure if that's the case though. Some guys are just good photographers. I'm rotten so I always think details should be out of focus  |
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Basstyra
Gold Member
France
523 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2006 : 12:32:58
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Yep, the number is not suspicious, rather the picture of it. I'm not a professional, but I'm really sure this is photoshoped. The "Boss" lettering just beside is not, at all, blurred. Why should the "0100" be ?
I have a little experience in modding pics, and this is what allways happens when I mod... |
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Austen
Bronze Member
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Posted - 08/07/2006 : 13:22:27
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I can't really see that myself...
There is no break in the "banks" of pixel squares in the ulta close up...I think that would be a much more evident.
Are you taking the depth of field and focus into acoount? At that range focus can be diffent within a cm.
You think the guy would go to all the trouble required to perfectly fabricate that inkstamped look for a few hundred dollars? Putting his Ebay rep on the line?
Doesn't seem very likely...
It is an absolute match with my own...even the same batch number, font and style are EXACTLY the same.
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Basstyra
Gold Member
France
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Posted - 08/07/2006 : 13:30:05
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Well, there are breaks in the pixels. That's my point. I should have brighten the pic to make it more obvious.
And yes, I'm taking the depth into account : the Boss lettering just beside does not suffer from that.
I'm not epecially a scam hunter, I'm not the type of guy who will scream everytime a pedal is sold more than it should. Here I'm screaming because I really think this "0100" is fake.
I may be mistaken though, of course. |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 08/07/2006 : 16:09:07
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i know what you mean, its hard to tell. the "0100" does look buzzy. you can totally see the fuzz around it in the closeup suggesting that it may have been photoshopped. the pictures all have his "mrpayne" logo on every shot, indicating that he knows more than the average person about editing photos. but then again in the picture focusing on the silver screw, you can see it in the background and it looks perfectly untouched.
the other thing that makes me wonder is that he refuses to remove the back plate.. why? as stahlhart mentioned, the buyer knows its not mint. sounds to me that there is something to hide.. maybe unoriginal parts??
all in all, it looks legit to me, and his feedback speaks well. some cameras tend to fuzz naturally around certain text. its just those few factors that make you wonder. we should get the seller to sign up on bossarea and explain |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2006 : 18:40:34
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This part of the listing is interesting to me:
NO REFUNDS FOR ANY REASON other than if I have GROSSLY misrepresented and item.
Does this mean he may misrepresent some items, just not grossly? I mean I realize he may put this there so if he says it has a couple scratches, someone cannot complain that there is 3 scratches on the pedal. However, this item in particular is on the outside an SS-MIJ DS-1, so it hits all that criteria, but if you were to buy it and open it up, and it has none of the components he says it has inside, would that be considered GROSSLY misrepresenting? Or the fact that he states he does not know for sure since he will not open the pedal, is that not grossly misrepresenting? To me just from the outside pedal features, he would get a nice payday irregardless of what is inside, but the fact that he talks up the insides, but then doesn't take you there to me is misrepresenting, though I don't know if it would be considered GROSSLY. However, I did not know about early numbers being batch numbers and not serial numbers, I just thought the 0100 looked a bit too clean, which is why I thought I'd post it here to see what others thought of it initially. |
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boss freak
Gold Member
USA
663 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2006 : 05:07:00
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| I origianlly misunderstood a couple of the posts, but now that I've taken a bit more time to go through the thread, I think what is apparent is the high level of JPEG compression on the photo is causing the weird appearance of the batch number. Just opened one of my silver screw DS-1s that happens to be sitting next to the computer here (batch number 9100) and the "1" and "0"s on mine look the same as the ones in the photos above. |
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SS MIJ DS-1 #0100?!?!?
