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boss freak
Gold Member
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 Posted - 06/18/2005 : 23:35:44
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| From what I know of the DD5, it has "reverse delay" features, but the SG1 is a volume swell effect that eliminates the attack of your picking and gradually rises in volume to produce the illusion of the part being played backwards. There is a Boss multi-effect that simulates the SG1, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to recall which it is. I remember seeing one, but I don't really go in on those multi effect units and I already have the SG1. |
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Mr. Man
Copper Member
USA
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Posted - 06/19/2005 : 01:25:11
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Originally posted by boss freak
From what I know of the DD5, it has "reverse delay" features, but the SG1 is a volume swell effect that eliminates the attack of your picking and gradually rises in volume to produce the illusion of the part being played backwards. There is a Boss multi-effect that simulates the SG1, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to recall which it is. I remember seeing one, but I don't really go in on those multi effect units and I already have the SG1.
The big multi-effect pedals like the ME-50 and the GT-6 or the table top GS-10 all have a Slow Gear effect. I like to get my stuff in a single serve. I think that if I get something with a "more than one" purpose, I'm losing out. I like stomp boxes because they are generally made to do one effect. |
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boss freak
Gold Member
USA
663 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2005 : 07:15:11
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Exactly the same reason why I don't like the "all in one" Boss units. There's something about the big processors that isn't as cool as the compact pedals.
But for someone that really wants the SG1 effect, but can't track down one of the pedals, I guess one of the processors that has the effect might be enough to hold them over until they can find the pedal. They could always sell the processor later. |
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MERCYFULFATE
Copper Member
USA
45 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2005 : 03:28:22
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how about an rv pedal kinda like the rv3 that has delay but with flange?
lol, im a flange maniac :) |
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arcanon1313
Silver Member
USA
414 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2005 : 18:02:31
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| I think that Boss should ditch the digital COSM crap and go back to making analog effects. the new digital boxes have no life to them. analog is what they started with, ppl love the old effects, the new ones are getting sold as ppl realize that the old ones just sound better. I tried the new PH-3, with the mode set on 10 stage phasing, and A-B'd it with a MIJ PH-2 (lucky that GC had one used to A-B with) and the PH-3 didn't even come close. It was really bright, and thin sounding, not warm and thick like the PH-2 (on mode I, Mode II is way too much for me). It's the same with the BF-3 and BF-2. |
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iancurtis
Copper Member
Argentina
11 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2005 : 18:32:45
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| i've tried the ODB3 and its way too much distorsion, it would be nice a clean distortion for bass, and not that awful fuzz |
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arcanon1313
Silver Member
USA
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Posted - 06/24/2005 : 20:36:09
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| The ODB-3 is good if your going for industrial, or to nail Pete Steele from Type O Negative's tone. The big problem a friend of mine and I found is that The ODB-3 has alot of internal hiss to it. |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/25/2005 : 11:45:01
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| I agree that the COSM pedals aren't sounding as good as the ones they try to imitate. I don't think they should ditch the idea though. It may evolve and become very good and if it does, it is important that they have the knowledge in the company so that can make the killer product before their competitors. |
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arcanon1313
Silver Member
USA
414 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2005 : 21:43:46
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| That's true. I suppose that they didn't have much of a choice in the matter. Everyone else in the world went digital and Boss had to to stay ahead of every other efects manufactuer. Hell you can't even record in analog anymore! The last maker of analog recording tape (Quantigy) Closed their doors late last year. Bow down to Digital folks. (Unfortunatly) It's here to stay. |
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boss freak
Gold Member
USA
663 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2005 : 23:52:35
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| A little off-topic, but I have worked with several recording engineers that have said with all of the advances in digital recording in the last few years, it is almost impossible to tell the difference between analog and digital to a trained ear. I had one guy tell me (an audiophile no less) that he played two recordings for a fellow audiophile and asked him to blindly choose which was better... he chose the digital recording. |
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arcanon1313
Silver Member
USA
414 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2005 : 00:14:26
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| In a perfect world it would be optimal to use Two inch analog tape for Guitar and bass, and some vocals, use digital for drums, leads, vocals, synths, mixing, mastering, and stuff like that. they both have their pluses and minus's. but the option of recording to analog is no longer an option. The problem i have with digital recording is that Bands no longer have to work as hard to get a really good sounding record. They just play one part, loop it, and their done. i like songs to breath, but here in the U.S all the bands sound the same. I don't hate digital, it's a useful tool and can help make things easier. I just don't agree with the way ppl are useing it. I dislike hearing a band and their cd sounds really good but when you hear them live it's all sloppy and they aren't as good as the cd. sorry to rant but digital is useful, can sound good, is a huge advance in recording, but ppl also have to learn their stuff before going in the studio. Ok I'm done. |
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boss freak
Gold Member
USA
663 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2005 : 03:39:30
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That's a very good point, but you would be surprised to know how much of that sort of thing has actually been done before the advent of Pro Tools, etc. Looping and sampling isn't just a hip hop phenomenon. It's not totally uncommon in rock recordings of the past. Ever see how a Metallica record was made before Pro Tools? The drum tracks were looped and edited to hell (to make everything in perfect time and super tight) before the guitars are laid down. And this is all pre-Pro Tools.
I do agree with the statement that digital recording and editing have made things a little too easy for some, but at the same time it has become easier for all of us. The cream will still (hopefully) rise to the top and the time may finally come when people that are buying the music finally learn the difference between good music and crap. In the end, it will come down to real emotion and songwriting skill, as there will no longer be glossy production to hide the junk behind, because virtually every other recording out there will be just as glossy and polished. As far as I know, there's no Pro Tools plugin that can re-write songs to be better than they actually are, but I'm sure that's in development somewhere.  |
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arcanon1313
Silver Member
USA
414 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2005 : 21:30:27
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| Good point! i agree with that. To the point of metallica, i know that Lars is not good at keeping the tempo solid, James even said so, james is the one in the band who is dead on with the tempo, lars gets too caught up in the moment, and shifts the tempo to his liking. I mean I'm a drummer and i know that nobody is perfect, but Lars is just sloppy with his time. so i can see why they had to loop his parts. |
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boss freak
Gold Member
USA
663 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2005 : 23:55:13
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It's only human to not be able to play perfectly on the beat. That's just one example, but there are a lot of things that went on in the recording world before Pro Tools. I don't want to turn the whole thread into a digital recording discussion, but I think you saw my point. I got yours too. It's a big can of worms.  |
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Iversen
Bronze Member
Denmark
111 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 16:10:56
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Put on your thinking caps and chew on this for a minute: After your filter, OD, distortion and EQ stuff, your signal is split in two usually with some chorus, in my case a DC-2 running stereo into a PN-2 then... where does the delay go?
Here's what I want to see from BOSS, a Rockman Stereo Echo in a BOSS stomp box. It works like this:
- It's analog
- It has stereo IN(!) and OUT (What the hell is it with all these different delay pedals anyway; almost all of them have stereo out but mono in even though 95% of all delays are placed at the end of any effect chain?!?!)
- Left delay time 75-300 ms
- Right delay time 125-500 ms
- One knob to control both channels (the delays will never collide this way due to the different, but fixed intervals of the channels)
- 3 different pan settings (fixed)
- Volume control for each channel controlling the wet signal
I have the Rockman Stereo Echo and it kicks ass, but the damn thing is one of those halfsized rackunits. I can't believe no one has picked up this approach to delays yet...
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