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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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 Posted - 04/04/2010 : 17:34:15
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Hi all
i was on Thomann...(european internet music store) and noticed there seems to be a lot of new 15/20 watt heads on the market..egnater have another one similar to the rebel 20 called the Tweaker,a basic 1 channel 15-18 watt head that supposed to be very good also Blackstar have the HT-20 and even Ibanez have a new amp a 15 watt tube head with a built in tubescreamer circuit... all seem to be under 500 euro plus the usual suspects like the Blackheart,Jet city Epiphone valve senior are even cheaper.... ... |
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archimedes
Silver Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/04/2010 : 18:33:23
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
i was on Thomann...(european internet music store) and noticed there seems to be a lot of new 15/20 watt heads on the market..
There certainly do, I bought a Tiny Terror a few years back when it was about the only one around, it would have been nice to have more choice but it serves its home practice, recording and small rehearsal job spec well with a nice sweet tone when coupled with a Celestion Heritage in a 1 x 12.
David
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2010 : 19:57:32
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| It's just the trend right now low watt tube amps, most have come to realize that you don't need 100 watts.And a 20 watts amps cranked on 10 sounds alot better the a 100 watt turn up to 2 |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2010 : 20:12:15
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| Yeah, people are starting to realize that you don't need a wall full of amps anymore since things are often run through the PA in larger venues where in the past you might have needed a wall of amps to be heard.... |
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Brutalitarian Supremacy
Silver Member
USA
270 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2010 : 20:16:28
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low wattage amps are def. the "thing" right now...most amp companies have realized that A)you'll be jammin in your bedroom and wont need a jillion watts B)you'll be gigging, and most soundguys will lynch you upon sight if you come luggin a nasty 100 watts of sonic goodness, so you'll need to hit good tones @ lower stage volumes...plus they sell like crazy and a company's main goal is profit...I own a few low watters and I enjoy playing them, even though I live way out in the middle of nowhere and can crank up the big amps I usually play w/ 20 watts or lower... but I'll stick w/ my big workhorses for shows...when soundguys give me crap I usually make some half assed remark about "you shouldn't worry about my amps and start thinking about if your little PA can hang w/ us"...that's when all the mics dissappear from the cabs and magically appear on the drums |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2010 : 20:38:59
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Yep i was telling Laurie over in his topic on the Dr Z route 66 amp that they were out of my price range and i have a load of cabs with quality speakers so i don't really need a combo...my Marshall started working again for no reason other than i take it home after gigs rather than leaving it in the van anymore... but she is getting old and valuable to me and we do so many gigs that i need something 100% reliable especially on the weddings and party circuit thats coming up for the summer...sort of looking at the peavey classic 30 head and the egnater rebel 30...an effects loop would be handy for smaller gigs to put the rack thru...better put the motorbike back up on gumtree.... ..... |
Edited by - FRANZONI on 04/04/2010 20:42:26 |
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Scarymonsta
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
90 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2010 : 09:31:11
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I bought a Hayden MOFO 30 Watt head a few months back and absolutely love it ! I run it through a Marshall 1960A and it is more than enough for most venues - it can be switched between 3 watts (great for the bedroom) and 30 Watts, which means either way you can crank it up to get some great tones. Its a single channel amp but has a "boost" switch which works exceptionally well for solos.
At a birthday party I had even forgotten to switch it from 3 to 30 watts and it still kept up with the drums and the other guitarist !
Has large amount of headroom before it starts to overdrive, allowing plenty of scope for shaping tone with pedals, also great for doing a/b pedal mod tests. |
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silvertone6120
Gold Member
USA
609 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2010 : 16:08:48
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Originally posted by zerksies
It's just the trend right now low watt tube amps, most have come to realize that you don't need 100 watts.And a 20 watts amps cranked on 10 sounds alot better the a 100 watt turn up to 2
That's the main reason I take a Victoria 15-watter to the gig and leave the Mesa Boogie Mark I at home...world of difference there. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2010 : 18:46:43
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Originally posted by Scarymonsta
I bought a Hayden MOFO 30 Watt head a few months back and absolutely love it ! I run it through a Marshall 1960A and it is more than enough for most venues - it can be switched between 3 watts (great for the bedroom) and 30 Watts, which means either way you can crank it up to get some great tones. Its a single channel amp but has a "boost" switch which works exceptionally well for solos.
At a birthday party I had even forgotten to switch it from 3 to 30 watts and it still kept up with the drums and the other guitarist !
Has large amount of headroom before it starts to overdrive, allowing plenty of scope for shaping tone with pedals, also great for doing a/b pedal mod tests.
Thats the sort of feedback i was hoping for......headroom is important to me as i use pedals as well to shape the sound.i was looking for something with an effects loop as well...have you tried the one on the hayden..it's a bit strange compared to most others with the single in/out.....also i don't need a whole lot of features...single channel is quite alright .... ...i was looking at the egnater tweaker and the rebel 20 but i reckon they might be a bit small wattage wise.... |
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Witloofboer
Gold Member
Belgium
513 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2010 : 19:35:06
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The volume difference between 15 and 100W isn't that large. People tend to forget that sound is logaritmic. The difference (dB) between to amps can be calculated using this formula:
Volume difference (dB) = 20*log(Power1/Power2)
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The volume difference between a 50W & a 100W amp:
20*log (100/50) = 6 dB
(Only when using speakers with the same efficiency.) |
Edited by - Witloofboer on 04/06/2010 19:37:49 |
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Scarymonsta
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
90 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 09:59:16
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[i]i was looking for something with an effects loop as well...have you tried the one on the hayden..it's a bit strange compared to most others with the single in/out.....
I have briefly tried the one on the Hayden - it is strange, you need a Y-split cable. I inserted my TC Electronic G-Sharp (for a bit of reverb) into the loop - the results weren't good - huge amounts of noise(hiss) -this is the part of the design I think they have compromised on and boobed on I think – in fairness I haven’t revisited this yet or asked their advice on this, so I just don’t use the loop or the G-Sharp.
(My old set up had a separate send socket and stereo return sockets, a level matching switch for the loop and a FX loop signal / dry signal mix pot and the G-Sharp worked well in this ..old Marshall solid state 9004 pre-amp)
The breakup on the gain seems to start about 10 o’clock but even at full tilt never gets above a clear classic rock “crunch”. The guy in the shop said you could get this even cleaner if you changed the pre-amp tubes to another type but again I have not investigated this.
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 11:19:25
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Cheers......don't really want to stop using the marshall and the big rig for my own band but i was sort of playing with the idea of a second smaller rig for 'sitting in' with people,smallish tube head and the 1 x 15 in a cab underneath...Taxi business is kaput since they deregulated it so i was thinking of getting a few gigs outside of my own band if they were going and don't want to be dragging all my stuff around in the car...
It's not the for volume as i usually stick a mic on the amp and thru the PA but i find 15 watts and down tend to break up really quickly... if the amp had an effects loop i could stick a delay pedal or the rack in the effects loop for ambience and control the amps breakup from the guitar so it might be doable..i need something with a decent clean sound..i suupose i could change the pre-amp tubes for something with less gain... |
Edited by - FRANZONI on 04/07/2010 11:24:54 |
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silvertone6120
Gold Member
USA
609 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 15:09:47
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Originally posted by Witloofboer
The volume difference between 15 and 100W isn't that large. People tend to forget that sound is logaritmic.
This is true, but the tonal difference is noticeable. |
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