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exodia333
Silver Member
USA
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 Posted - 10/20/2007 : 23:58:57
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Hey
I've seen this youtube video on comparing kahlers and floyds
the floyds won but personally I still think kahlers are easier
I tried to start a conversation with the dean guitars form but everyones giving me negative crap about it
What is your personal prefrence |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2007 : 11:14:14
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i'm not a fan of either..i have tried both on my early 'pointy headstock' guitars many years ago and to be honest i find the original strat to be the best if set up right..if your into mad divebombs etc you could always get a hipshot and locking tuners to help tuning stability which don't alter the appearance of the instrument and changing strings is a doddle..... ..check out jeff beck and the way he uses the strats trem.... |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2007 : 14:41:10
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i have a Floyd Rose double lock on my Jackson and its perfect. you can drop notes out of existance and bring them back up to perfect pitch. its great for metal and even just trippy sounds with phaser and delay and stuff. ive only tried a Kahler briefly, it was one of those new smooth deals and it seemed awesome as well.
i think this is like a Gibson vs Fender situation where they are both made very well but it just depends on what works for you. |
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visserman
Platinum Member
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 17:02:27
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I am in there with Franz.
I prefer the vintage tem. systems of the Fenders, and this is after having played Floyds for a long long time.
Okay the vintage trem may not be that great at divebombing, but still you can do outrageous stuff with it.
The Wilkinson trem may be an overal improvement on the Fender trems, as they will keep your overal tuning more stable.
What I do not like about the Floyds is that it really takes a long time get everything in tune, yes ones you are there, you will stay there..............well hang on, do you really.
Overal it may be difficult to compare them as the Floyd does have such a different feel.
Anyway, I think the vintage trem is much underrated, and people talk about tuningproblems when you use it a lot, but you just need to set up your guitar well, and then it will serve you very well.
I believe what Stato mentioned about the feel of the Kahler is right, I think they feel smoother, and they.............. look a little more primative... |
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Fabius
Silver Member
320 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2007 : 18:19:30
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I've had both in different guitars and I prefer F.R., Khaler is too soft, too light don't give me the exact measure of diving or others things that is possible do with a vibrato bar...
As I've said in the last times I use Strato and Les Paul, so I don't use vibrato bars anymore but I still remember the bothering to change strings or when one string broken during a concert and the annoying to get in tune ALL others strings after replacing the new one! |
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pedals 4 pv
Platinum Member
Canada
1351 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2007 : 19:26:24
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BIGSBY is the best tremolo.Floyd Rose and Kahler are for strats, but a Bigsby will fit a good guitar like a Les Paul or ES-335  |
Edited by - pedals 4 pv on 10/21/2007 19:28:20 |
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Fabius
Silver Member
320 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2007 : 21:17:21
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| Bigbsy? A friend of mine bought a Gibson Firebird with Bigbsy... and me: "Wow the same guitar that has Paul Stanley on Alive! cover, lemme try it!" and so I've began to play it and to use the bar like a Floyd Rose or so... do you know what are milliseconds? The unit of measure that is between midway the shout of my friend and the slam of his house door behind me. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2007 : 22:40:50
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It depends on your style of music... a bigsby isn't designed for serious metal type divebombing....it's more for a rockabilly type of twang ala brian setzer...i've never owned a guitar with one on it but i read a lot of articles on this subject of whammy bars and the bigby according to some players improves the tone of the semi solids....The Edge has one installed on one of his teles and thinks this gives the guitar a unique sound different to his other teles...plus the bigsby has been around for at least fifty years and still going strong as with the fender....and as fabius pointed out the floyd rose is a bummer when you break a string and it's 'floating'.....even when it's set flat you still have to get the toolbox out... ......
quote "I tried to start a conversation with the dean guitars form but everyones giving me negative crap about it"
i don't mean to be nosy or go off topic but what do you mean by "negative crap" were the people on the forum just not interested or just offensive..it's just i had a bad experience myself a while ago on another forum..an innocent remark i made got compleatly out of hand.....
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2007 : 07:51:50
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I have owned one guitar with Kahler and a couple with Floyd Rose, in the eighties.
As I remember I liked Kahler better than Floyds, I think that Floyds steal the tone a bit and the Kahler was very easy to get weird sounds from (I think Adrian Belew used them a lot in the 80�s, and he sound really weird�).
Nowadays I like vintage Strat trems the most, they sound good and properly adjusted stays in tune good enough. I also like Bigsbys a lot, they sound very good and used careful the stay in tune too.
Systems I don�t like at all are the ones on Jazzmasters, owned a pre-CBS for a year or so. I had a Jagstang for a short while (same system as the Jazzmaster) and I couldn�t get it to stay in tune. And I have a lot of experience adjusting trems�.. The Jagstang is one of the worst guitars I ever owned, besides the trouble with the tremolo.
A nice way to get a tremolo effect is to bend the neck, I have never hurt any neck by doing this, but this has to be done with a little care�
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Fabius
Silver Member
320 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2007 : 14:58:52
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Sayin' that the Strato trem keep the tuning after the use it's quite hazardous... I think that the best mixing is a Strato with Sperzel keys as I've done on mine and I assure that now is a good trem!  |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2007 : 15:51:59
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I've got a couple of Ibanezes with Floyds and an old Aria Pro II with a Kahler. Both of them can handle divebombing with ease and stays in tune without problems. My strat has a Wilkinson trem and sperzel locking tuners and will fall out of tune long before both the Floyd and Kahler. I rate them equally but narrowingly prefer the Floyd because it's easier to set intonation.
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Fabius
Silver Member
320 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2007 : 20:09:58
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| It's obvious that Floyd Rose or Kahler stay in tune better than a Fender trem with Sperzel, but it's also obvious that the Fender bridge isn't affordable to do divebombings, neither with 12 Sperzel keys! The main thing is that Fender trem withouth Sperzel keys it's less affordable than with Sperzel mounted on, if I know that a track needs divebombing I use my Ibanez JEM... (I'm slaving like a dog to translate in english my opinions why don't you learn italian? ). |
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exodia333
Silver Member
USA
273 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2007 : 22:14:47
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i don't mean to be nosy or go off topic but what do you mean by "negative crap" were the people on the forum just not interested or just offensive..it's just i had a bad experience myself a while ago on another forum..an innocent remark i made got compleatly out of hand.....
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By negative crap I ment that they werent intrested and gave me a hard time with deciding on whats best 
It sucks that your comment was taken so personally  I would have backed you up  |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2007 : 21:31:06
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| Before I realized,"The only bar I need is one that serves drinks." I tried vintage, Floyd Rose, And Kahler. I'd have to say vintage does the trick, unless you get into some crazy metal stuff, then locking is the way to go. Personally, I preferred the Kahlers. Floyd Roses always seem to make guitars sound thin to me. I think its because of the routing needed and then the fact that the bridge just floats between 2 points, it just doesn't have the resonance and sustain as other trem systems, and there's no point in comparing it with a non-trem setup, cause the non-trem will beat it out. These are just my own personal experiences, observations, and opinions, which may of course, vary from yours, but by no means means that you or I are less cooler than the other |
Edited by - jack on 10/23/2007 21:35:02 |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 00:01:20
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i have locking Schaller tuners on my partsocaster, and it RARELY goes out of tune, and im pretty heavy with the Strat trem. in fact i can divebomb(well a Fender divebomb) and everything will still be perfectly in tune. they really work! |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 19:02:11
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i have the schallers on my strat as well..in fact their so old it says 'made in west germany' on them..i've always found them to be top class..in fact i have sperzels on the tele and their not as good and that guitar doesn't even have a tremolo.... ...another trick i use is to get a pencil and rub the graphite in the slots of the nut on the guitar....and stretch any new strings out well before a gig and i've always found i'm pretty ok on the night..... |
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