| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
phostenix
Gold Member
USA
754 Posts |
|
|
stahlhart
Platinum Member
1318 Posts |
 Posted - 03/27/2006 : 20:12:48
|
Reserve not met 
C.K.
|
 |
|
|
phostenix
Gold Member
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2006 : 21:32:14
|
| oops. I got so excited I missed the fine print. |
|
|
|
phostenix
Gold Member
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2006 : 07:29:36
|
| No sale! Reserve not met at $202.50. How much is a label on the bottom worth? |
|
|
|
stahlhart
Platinum Member
1318 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2006 : 12:58:56
|
At least $250.00-300.00, apparently... which is a lot more than the cost of swapping a bottom plate from another MIJ pedal. Seller could have done that and probably gotten his reserve met, and more.
A MIJ OC-2 can be had relatively cheaply, and I bet that it would hold most of its value resold with the non-label bottom plate.
C.K.
|
|
|
|
bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2006 : 13:25:49
|
| For a SS SP-1 you probably would want a bottom label with the words Use a coin...". The cheapest pedal with this type of label is probably an old NF-1. |
|
|
|
stahlhart
Platinum Member
1318 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2006 : 16:53:21
|
Ah, forgot about that. Good point...
C.K.
|
|
|
|
phostenix
Gold Member
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2006 : 17:43:19
|
Depends on what day it is.  After that $115 one, the next one won't sell for $40. And neither were SS.
Grace and peace,
Steve
|
|
|
|
phostenix
Gold Member
USA
754 Posts |
|
|
starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2006 : 03:27:03
|
I know you guys are clowning around about swaping bottom plates, but let's not skirt the real issue, that, an SP-1 starting low only barely broke $200 - you could probably change the bottome plate for yourself though, but don't do that to resell ... |
|
|
|
phostenix
Gold Member
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2006 : 07:39:43
|
quote:
you could probably change the bottome plate for yourself though, but don't do that to resell ...
Then why would you do it? If you didn't care about the resale value, you wouldn't worry about the bottom plate.
Grace and peace,
Steve
|
|
|
|
starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2006 : 07:59:14
|
Changing the bottom plate is cheating - a collector looking for an original would be pretty pissed if the bottom label wasn't a perfect match for the orginal and if he/she knew about the coin vs the thumbscrew and Roland Japan etc that is all well documented on the bossarea site. I respect the guy for selling it as is, and, if the original bottom label is worth $300 more, than so be it. It shouldn't be faked, the pedal should be left original, IMHO. That's the fun - finding a nice clean original 25 year old pedal, not a mock-up.
WE'RE TALKING GUITAR PEDALS for pete's sake. If you want to get $300 fast, go trade some Junior Oil stocks. Or negotiate a little harder for free floor mats when you go buy your next car - that'll make you an honest $300!!! Heck, ask $300 more for your basic fee at your next wedding gig! Don't go flipping parts around calling it vintage or original, unless of course, you say you flipped the parts.
It'd piss me off. |
Edited by - starr36 on 04/05/2006 08:00:41 |
|
|
|
stahlhart
Platinum Member
1318 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2006 : 16:33:56
|
I can't see how changing a mass-produced part on a mass-produced product with an identical mass-produced part -- making sure that the label was correct and such -- would be considered cheating. I would consider it a restoration.
Roland had some factory somewhere in the Pacific rim make a large batch of those bottom plates way back when, and they were just more or less pulled out of the crate one at a time and slapped on the bottoms of the pedals as they came down the assembly line, and then mabye after that the label got stuck on (or perhaps they got all three pieces separate, and also attached the rubber pad along with the label).
This sort of thing goes on in any field of collectible manufactured goods, whether it be antique radios, cars, hi-fi equipment, etc. Restoring original stock parts on such things is perfectly legitimate. Obviously something that is still 100% original from the day it was made should be considered more valuable, but on something like this there would be no way to distinguish or prove it one way or the other. Actually it's pretty much impossible to prove one way or the other if the replaced parts are absolutely correct.
Would it be better to leave it original, and incomplete or otherwise broken -- or would it be better to use what we have to accurately preserve as much as we can of what's left?
C.K.
|
|
|
|
phostenix
Gold Member
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2006 : 16:35:36
|
| I understand Starr36's position & agree with what you're saying, but there's really no way to know if any pedal you buy is all original or not on stuff this old that has passed through several hands usually. |
|
|
|
LuminaryJCP
Bronze Member
USA
85 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2006 : 03:14:42
|
| Yes, personally I would pay the same amount for a pedal that had a replaced backplate as long as it was the accurate label. The fact is that these are mass produced, and the fact that the labels do not designate the model proves it. I think setting such a high reserve on a pedal that's arguably worth closer to 100$ is a lot more wrong than switching labels. If a collector would pay that much for the pedal the backplate will be switched in the future and the pedal resold. And a player wouldnt give a damn about the label one way or the other. |
|
|
|
starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2006 : 20:38:17
|
Bottom line with eBay is you get what's listed and you need to uncover any mods or repairs before bidding.
I would rather, if possible, ascertain the pedal is, in fact, all orginal or not.
We all have seen a bunch of shysters - and another bottom line - what goes around comes around.
Having said that, it would be difficult for anyone to really ascertain anything with any accuracy as pedals do change a lot of hands, unless you are hopefully dealing with a one-owner unit, or I got it from a guitar player in a band I used to play in situtation.
All is OK by me as long as sellers disclose - no-one likes being lied to or getting something that was misrepresented. But we know to expect that to happen - from time to time - on eBay; sometimes unkowningly by the seller, and unfortunately knowingly by the seller.
|
Edited by - starr36 on 04/06/2006 20:39:50 |
|
|
| |
Topic |
|
Straight up auction for SP-1
