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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
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 Posted - 07/11/2009 : 14:41:54
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2009 : 16:43:08
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Hi zerksies
Good question.
Do you mean:
Officially or Unofficially?
Or both?
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2009 : 18:15:27
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i've taught about 100 people but i'm not a guitar teacher by trade.
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2009 : 21:42:01
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Unofficially I help my son with theory & a guy at work with same plus technique.
My son begins teaching my friend at work & I guide him what & how to teach. |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2009 : 22:35:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Bob
Hi zerksies
Good question.
Do you mean:
Officially or Unofficially?
Or both?
Regards Dr. Bob
I would probably mean officially, like giving lessons. I have showed alot of people little tricks and stuff like that. but i mean like a sit down lesson |
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Brutalitarian Supremacy
Silver Member
USA
270 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2009 : 01:34:29
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i've taught at just about every music gear outlet w/in a 100 mile radius...and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who thrives on personal creativity...kinda like a gynecologist wanting to hurry home and have sex w/ his wife!...like pulling teeth |
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Ward
Copper Member
Australia
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Posted - 07/12/2009 : 01:56:20
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I've tried to teach the odd beginner but I'm just too impatient, I found that the people who came to me for lessons thought it would be easier and every one of them would not do the practice. As well as that, I insist on the person learning some theory so they can know what and why things are done.
Every one of them ran for the hills once you start with words like major, minor,what and why they are.
I know one bloke who thinks he's the bees knees of guitar teachers, he's been doing it for eons, a bloke came to me for lessons and I put him onto this dude. Some time later I ran into him and asked him what he had learnt. He had all his stuff written down. He had been given the pentatonic minor scale or the blues scale in A to learn and had not gotten much out of it, doh, I would never start someone off like that.
It points out how a lot of so called guitar tutors are just grabbing the dough. I would start out with a few chords along with some basic theory re the major scale, and how everything is related to it but as I said, it's all too much for them, they want you to show em how to be lead players and they don't know why a chord is major or minor. Teaching? No sir re Bob. I guess that's why you just give em what they want and take the dough, oh rightio mate, here's the blues scale in A, off you go. You won't see most of them again though.
The other side of the coin I think is that if someone has the fire inside them, they will usually work a lot of it out themselves especially now with the internet BUT, a lot of dudes are just learning what they want via tab and STILL NEVER actually learning anything that will allow them to understand the art. You can not hide from the theory, in the end, I think that's the reason most people dabble in music and then give up on it. It's no good learning a scale if you don't know what and why. I had a friend come round one day, he plays a lot of chords but he has no idea why each chord is what it is. I tried to start him off on the theory path but he has his mind set on the fact that it's all too hard, there in lies the problem. If you start at the beginning it's elimentary dear Watson. For some reason people have it in their heads that theory is rocket science. I think theory is pretty simply but for those who know nothin it's the scariest thing in the world when it should be their best friend. Teaching?  |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2009 : 03:42:34
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| good point man, theory is so easy it is a joke that people do not learn it. all it really boils down to is notes that make a scale. just know the pattern and you are all set |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2009 : 04:57:54
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Traditional harmony for major keys:
Major minor minor Major Major minor diminished |
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The_Doc
Gold Member
United Kingdom
509 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2009 : 11:26:12
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I've tried to teach people in the past but I've failed miserably. I struggled with those who want to develop and improve but will not put the effort in. You need to take a bit of pain to learn to do something new or to do it better.
I�ve come across those who think there is some sort of 'silver bullet' or they'll reach a tipping point when they'll wake up one morning and magically be the next Steve Vai. Of course, we all know that it doesn't work like that and it's many hours of practise, study, playing with others and gigging in front of live audiences that hones your skills. I don't do teaching any more....
Maybe it is better going to a pro-teacher - someone who is well organised and more importantly, has the patience and persistence to drive people on. All credit to the teachers, because I know that I couldn't do it. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 07/13/2009 : 12:41:04
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Originally posted by The_Doc
I've tried to teach people in the past but I've failed miserably. I struggled with those who want to develop and improve but will not put the effort in. You need to take a bit of pain to learn to do something new or to do it better.
I�ve come across those who think there is some sort of 'silver bullet' or they'll reach a tipping point when they'll wake up one morning and magically be the next Steve Vai. Of course, we all know that it doesn't work like that and it's many hours of practise, study, playing with others and gigging in front of live audiences that hones your skills. I don't do teaching any more....
Maybe it is better going to a pro-teacher - someone who is well organised and more importantly, has the patience and persistence to drive people on. All credit to the teachers, because I know that I couldn't do it.
My experiences in a nutshell on the teaching front.... ... i practice every day(maybe not practice but play and work on my technique and listen and play along wih stuff rather than sitting down going through modes and scales) and when i was learning the guitar it was never out of my hand any spare minute i had..any stories you read about any great musicians you hear this being said about them as well,there is no 'magic bullet' unfortunately..... it's all down to hard work to becoming proficent.... i always bring either an acoustic or my mandolin on hols to keep my hand in....just don't see that level of persistence in some people who have approached me in the past so i don't really bother anymore ..if someone approaches me at a gig and asks a question about something i've played or my gear i will sit and explain it to them but no formal lessons.....  |
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The_Doc
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/13/2009 : 17:39:41
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I couldn't agree more Franzoni - I need to have a guitar in my hands at least once every day  .
On holiday (when I don't often have a guitar with me)- I usually drag the family to a guitar shop so that I can have my fix - I even did that in the Austrian Alps & lakes last year and there 'aint that many guitar shops around there but I found one, even though it was shut on the day we went!
Back to teaching - it's going to be fun to watch the two of us trading licks if (nah - when - let's be positive!), we do get together eventually, as neither of us can / want to teach. I reckon we won't bother - we can just jam and pick up what we want as we go along - that's worked for me before - especially with mucho |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2009 : 18:26:20
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2009 : 19:12:18
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I have learned some friends (who can�t play bass or guitar) over the years, when someone needed for a party jam.
My method is the following: drink 4-6 beers  at least (most important for the non-guitarist) and just play like the devil was after you 
And those of us who can play just plays a one-chord backing, with rhythm changed as the jam goes on... and on...
The people who have used my method probably not learned a lot but they sure had a good time , and really enjoyed the wild jamming.
Right now I�m learning my daughter to play, and I can tell you that it�s a lot harder as my daughter is to young for the beer-method |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2009 : 00:28:37
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Originally posted by The_Doc
I couldn't agree more Franzoni - I need to have a guitar in my hands at least once every day .
On holiday (when I don't often have a guitar with me)- I usually drag the family to a guitar shop so that I can have my fix - I even did that in the Austrian Alps & lakes last year and there 'aint that many guitar shops around there but I found one, even though it was shut on the day we went!
Back to teaching - it's going to be fun to watch the two of us trading licks if (nah - when - let's be positive!), we do get together eventually, as neither of us can / want to teach. I reckon we won't bother - we can just jam and pick up what we want as we go along - that's worked for me before - especially with mucho
Yeah i can't go out a day without a guitar in my hands. if i am on vacation i usually spot guitar shops before i go there |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2009 : 10:04:57
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So , I'm just wondering how many people here have been officially/properly taught to play guitar or bass?
I had some guitar and bass lessons which involved enough theory that I understand how it all works and can figure things out if needed. However, most of my knowledge is from just playing at home or jamming with friends. I certainly can't sight read, but I can read music.
One of the best guitarists I know, knows absolutely nothing about theory and just plays by ear... which is both awesome and annoying!
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How Many of you teach Guitar??
