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Right Foot Boss
Gold Member
USA
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 Posted - 09/29/2007 : 11:55:53
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...why do they seem to start out at 2, then to 3, and then jump to 5? I know the earliest pedals start out as 1 (CE-1. BF-1, DM-1, OD-1, DS-1,TW-1, ect...). But why does every new compact pedal start out as #2, then #3, then #5? I mean what happened to #1 and #4?
It's just one of those things that urks my tater. |
Edited by - Right Foot Boss on 09/29/2007 12:58:21 |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 09/29/2007 : 12:07:52
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Hi Right Foot Boss & Guys
There has been much speculation, about this very subject.
But I believe that the number 4 in Japanese culture is considered, a very bad & unlucky number - more so that the number 13 in Western culture.
I believe that in Japanese the sound of the word 4 and the word "death' are almost identical.
If you go into most modern high-rise buildings in western culture, you will find that thee is no 13th floor,
just 12 and 12A or 12B.
So much for my 2 cents worth.
Regards Dr. Bob |
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Right Foot Boss
Gold Member
USA
881 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2007 : 12:56:36
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Well then lets have a hm-4. For all those death metal fans out there. |
Edited by - Right Foot Boss on 09/29/2007 12:57:17 |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2007 : 23:39:02
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| NO BOSS, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... NO MORE DISTORTION PEDALS!!! |
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ChristoMephisto
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 03:23:31
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i know its probably in the forum somewhere,
but where did PQ-4 come from then?
and why is the PH-1r not a PH-2 when it came out with the Res knob?
not a good example, but they didn't label the OD-1 a OD-1t when then added a tone knob and labeled it a SD-1, could of been OD-2... |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 10:55:53
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The model names are well covered in the Boss book.
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Sometimes there's a "-2" model but no "-1". How do you guys decide the numbering sequence?
Some models have numbers that proceed in sequence, like OD-1, OD-2 and so on, but some jump right to a higher number, like the HM-2. We wondered if maybe the HM-1 was a prototype model that never actually came into being, but were told that wasn't the case. The developers said that if they start with the "-1" number, it reminds users of the BF-1 or whatever model was available before the new effect came out, and they worry that people will think the new compact model is old, before it even hits the shelves. Also, Okada tells us that now that most models are numbered "-2" or "-3", it's like taking a step backwards to number the latest one "-1". That's why they decided to start off with "-2" or "-3". In other words, it's aquestion of image. So how come the Chorus series starts with "CE-3" and "CE-5" then jumps to CH-1, but doesn't have a CH-4? Yamada tells us, laughing, The number 4 is unlucky in Japan, so we skipped it. So how about the PQ-4? Yamada laughs again. Our bad luck started after we added that '4' model, and we don't have any more '4' models in our lineup. Takahashi adds, actually, the staff doesn't often get to choose model numbers. Those are decided by people farther up in the hierarchy.
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bossFan
Bronze Member
Portugal
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 12:17:56
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Take a look at this. It�s on french Ebay untill Oct06 |
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Leeroyfunk
Silver Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 14:32:40
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Take a look at this. It�s on french Ebay untill Oct06
The first generation of Boss pedals, i.e. the first Roland pedals to carry the Boss name - listed in the Bossarea directory as "stompboxes") are named "prefix-1", i.e BF-1, CE-1, DM-1 - Apart from the DB-5, presumably because it has a 5-band graphic EQ section. They were all superseded by a version "-2" when the Compact range came out, i.e. BF-2, CE-2 and DM-2: New effects in the compact range, however, seem to start from "-1" again - PH-1, OD-1, TW-1, CS-1 etc etc, with each subsequent generation increasing by a number, missing out "-4" for the reasons noted above. The DB-5 did not evolve any further, presumably because it didn't sell as well as the others, or perhaps Boss thought a separate EQ (GE-6) was more flexible - It came out at the start of the compact range (1978) soon after the first wave, OD-1, PH-1...
Further questions - Does anyone own a DB-5? and if so, how is the sound? I would assume like the OD-1, but maybe it has a completely different circuit. |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 16:13:44
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Christo, i think the PH-1r isnt a PH-2 because its the exact same pedal just with a new knob. although Boss didnt follow that lead on the DD-2 turning into the DD-3, but did with the OD-2 and OD-2r. come to think of it, none of it really makes sense  |
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MadSteven
Copper Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 23:48:48
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I guess it's a bit to do with family and stuff.
For example, the MD-2 is 2, since the HM-2 and XT-2 were also 2. As well as ML-2 and MT-2.
Actually, the recent 1's were... FDR-1 and FBM-1. The dyna is a 2, the fuzz is a 5 (from fz-2 to fz-3 to fz-5) and like a said, the ML a 2. The RE is like the other with pedals a 20.
My two cents, I guess. |
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ChristoMephisto
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 10/01/2007 : 03:15:31
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Originally posted by StratoSphere
Christo, i think the PH-1r isnt a PH-2 because its the exact same pedal just with a new knob. although Boss didnt follow that lead on the DD-2 turning into the DD-3, but did with the OD-2 and OD-2r. come to think of it, none of it really makes sense
You're right, it doesn't make sense, maybe it was marketing?
I meant the PH1r could have been called a PH-2 because it has a new knob, making it a new pedal.
Didn't the DD-3 have a cheaper version of the chip used in the DD-2, or did that happen later in the DD-3's production? |
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Right Foot Boss
Gold Member
USA
881 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2007 : 07:38:18
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All I'm saying is that Boss has done a great job perfecting pedal collecting for us with the mild O.C.D. Each pedal keeping the same shape and color to match in its general effect type through out the years. So I'd expect the same ridgidness when it comes to there model numbers. I guess I can see the pont of the many different distortions/drives being modeled #2 because the DS-1 or the OD-1 are their blessed forefathers. But what about the FZ-2, TR-2, RV-2, PS-2, OC-2. Wern't these the first Boss products of thier kind? If not I'm looking stupid. Shouldn't they then be #1 models? Maybe not the FZ-2 (because it is a distortion) but do you see where i'm going with this?
So four is an un lucky number. I'm fine with that because I think four is an ugly number (sorry all you fans of the #4). But what about the #1? Shouldn't Boss stop ignoring the presence and power the #1 has?
Sorry for the venting but that is what happens when you drink alone and have no one to conversate with.  + +11= , ,  or  It's got to get it out either way. |
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