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indytone
Bronze Member
USA
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 Posted - 02/10/2006 : 06:08:36
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| i really want to rip off Robin Guthrie's tone from Cocteau Twins. i have a CE-5 (analog), but it just isn't doing it. |
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Roger
Bronze Member
USA
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Posted - 02/10/2006 : 19:07:05
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I bought a CE-5 too and also found that it fell short of what I was looking for in an analog Chorus. There is one sound that I can dial in that I really like...it's a really good, very subtle Chorus setting. Since I've already purchased the CE-5 at full price, I'll hang on to it for the one good sound.
After the let down with the CE-5, I purchased a MIJ CE-2 and it's really nice. Very lush and warm. You might want to try one. |
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stahlhart
Platinum Member
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Posted - 02/10/2006 : 22:10:35
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Have you tried Googling on the name to see if an equipment list pops up anywhere...?
I tried, but the closest I got was an article in which he was somewhat vague about it, speaking of types of effects in general but not specific units he used. Mabye he's an "I'm not going to tell you how I did it" type of musician, protecting secrets. But I didn't search a great deal, and perhaps elsewhere he elaborates more.
You may or may not have to use the specific stompbox or boxes he did to get the same sound. something else to consider is that if you are listening to studio recordings, you might have to be careful of overdubbed guitar tracks -- there's definitely going to be some interaction between them if dimensioning or chorus is in there.
Speaking of which -- consider something like a DC-2 or DC-3, in addition to chorus pedals, as the effect is similar, but uniquely different. Unfortunately they're no longer being produced, so you couldn't waltz into Guitar Center to try one out, but there is the CE-20 which I think at least emulates them, and those are available new.
C.K.
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stahlhart
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phostenix
Gold Member
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2006 : 23:10:09
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I'm not familiar with the sound you're trying to get. Is it a fast leslie type chorus? Slow & deep? Fast & deep - seesick?
How 'bout a soundclip?
Grace and peace,
Steve
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phostenix
Gold Member
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2006 : 00:10:10
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Chris,
Interesting links you found. If nothing else, it gives me some ideas of my own to try. Thanks.
Grace and peace,
Steve
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RRV-10
Silver Member
Australia
246 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2006 : 13:45:48
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| I bought a DC-2 after reading from several sources (on guitar effects forums) that Gutherie used it. If he did, then it was only one of many layers of modulation he had on his guitar signal. I doubt there's one 'Gutherie sound in a box', i'd bet he was using concurrent units running simultaneously. I know he ran several delays (no reverb) at once to get space/atmosphere, so that's a significant element. Look at what other people were using at the time - the CE-1 and EHX Electric Mistress were big, so they may have been used. That's not even considering rack units. |
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indytone
Bronze Member
USA
124 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2006 : 02:22:12
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Thanks everyone. Another thing I'm wondering is this:
Does it matter if I get a "Stereo-out" chorus if I'm biamping anyway? In my time playing with my CE-5 I haven't really noticed any sort of panning effect (not that I was exactly expecting that) and I know that chorus naturally gives you a sort of stereo expander sound anyways. So, if I get a mono chorus and send it to two amps (placed far apart) would that make the want for a "stereo" chorus pointless? |
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phostenix
Gold Member
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2006 : 04:26:30
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There are (at least) 3 kinds of "stereo" chorus pedals.
One type gives you your original dry signal out on 1 jack & the mix of the dry & wet signals on the other.
One gives you your original dry signal out on 1 jack & only the wet signal on the other (vibrato).
The 3rd type gives you true stereo out both jacks have the mix of dry & wet signals, but 1 delayed (chorus) signal is inverted and the other is not. So, connected to 2 amps the chorus is out of phase between the 2.
Connecting a mono chorus to 2 amps doesn't sound like stereo. I hooked up my ME-50 to 2 amps the other day to listen to the rotary sim in stereo and I checked the choruses, too (it has a mono chorus & 2 stereo choruses). It wasn't like the stereo chorus was going around or back & forth. It was kinda subtle, actually. But, it was noticeably different than the mono chorus into the 2 amps.
I haven't tried 2 amps with the other stereo choruses I have - the Ibanez RC99 & the Arion SCH-1 & SCH-Z. I'll do that & post back later. I'll check the CH-1, CE-3, CE-5 as well to see what they sound like. IIRC, the Boss pedals give you dry on 1 jack, wet on the other - the vibrato thing.
Grace and peace,
Steve
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indytone
Bronze Member
USA
124 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2006 : 07:52:41
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Thanks phostenix. When I run my CE-5 out to two amps, it just sounds like both are getting a chorus tone. i.e. neither is dry.
In other news, I just bought a CE-2 for $30.  |
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phostenix
Gold Member
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2006 : 17:34:58
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| Nice purchase. MIJ or MIT? |
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indytone
Bronze Member
USA
124 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2006 : 18:00:37
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Originally posted by phostenix
Nice purchase. MIJ or MIT?
I don't know. The back is covered with velcro, so I'm trying to think of a way to get that off there with out ripping off the label. The "Ch-1" label starts under the U in Chorus though. |
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Dingus
Silver Member
USA
472 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2006 : 02:50:28
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CH-1? that would be a Boss Super Chorus CH-1,
not a Boss Chorus CE-2
CH-1's are much less rare than CE-2's and tend to sound awful to my ears. |
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indytone
Bronze Member
USA
124 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2006 : 14:26:56
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Originally posted by Dingus
CH-1? that would be a Boss Super Chorus CH-1,
not a Boss Chorus CE-2
CH-1's are much less rare than CE-2's and tend to sound awful to my ears.
Yeah. I meant CE-2. |
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2006 : 17:12:48
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If you can get your mits on a boss CE-3, it has a Negative chorus affect that must be used in stero, this I would try.
Second, try the boss CH-1. It is the only boss chorus with a LEVEL control, which, you can dial in or out how much chorus.
Finally, the DC-3, seems to have only one SWEET SPOT on the dial - I assume that it works way better in stereo than in mono, but I don't have a stereo rig.
While eBay can be time consuming, if you monitor what pedals are buying and selling for, you can ususally buy, test, and resell without losing any money at all Often pedals show up on BUY IT NOW that are ridiculously cheap (being sold by non-musicians) and sometimes the auctions end at 3 in the morning and noone is bidding them up.
Like they taunt ... "Happy Bidding"
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Roger
Bronze Member
USA
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Posted - 02/13/2006 : 23:46:20
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Cool I.T.
How do you like your new CE-2 |
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which chorus should i get?
