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stahlhart
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 Posted - 06/09/2006 : 17:34:18
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No, really. As long as we're on the subject -- can anyone who has both of these comment on similarities/differences between them?
I have a CE-2, but I'm constantly jonesing for a CE-1, and I'm wondering if it's really worth the substantial cost difference (apart from snob appeal).
C.K. (anxiously awaits his gold star for not threadjacking  )
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bosshog
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 18:49:25
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stahlhart
Platinum Member
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 20:06:19
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In the absence of emoticons, I'm going to assume that you meant that seriously, and respectfully disagree.
I'm looking at this purely from a tonal perspective -- the way I see it, any difference here -- given that both are analog delay devices -- will probably be due to three factors:
(1) overall frequency response: affected by such things as input/output impedance, high pass / low pass filtering in the signal path, etc.
(2) specific delay time range: a "base" value of delay time modulated over a maximum and minimum range, a maximum and minimum lower frequency modulation rate
(3) this is probably the most significant -- the rate that the LFO changes rate; in other words, does rate rise/fall as a flat sawtooth, a sine wave, some other more complex alternating waveform?
So you have analog chorus created by the interaction of dry and wet signals; how that wet signal changes with respect to the dry signal will end up being all about that chorus's tonal characteristics -- why a CE-2 sounds "warmer" than a CE-3, or a CE-3 has more "shimmer", etc.
C.K.
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 06/10/2006 : 10:49:32
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stahlhart... any reviews of the ce 1 that i have read a lot of the owners complain of the pedal distorting when in use..i read an interview with chris rea where he said he used the ce 1 to get a 'crunchy sound' and then stepped on a compressor to even it out...i would imagine boss brought out the ce 2 to solve this problem but the idea of a chorus and vibrato together in a pedal was a good one..a pity they didn't just upgrade the whole thing..for the record if i came across one in a pawn shop etc i would jump on it ...but i wouldn't be interested in paying silly money for either unless you have a dose of g.a.s...!!!! |
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stahlhart
Platinum Member
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Posted - 06/10/2006 : 19:13:57
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
stahlhart... any reviews of the ce 1 that i have read a lot of the owners complain of the pedal distorting when in use..i read an interview with chris rea where he said he used the ce 1 to get a 'crunchy sound' and then stepped on a compressor to even it out...i would imagine boss brought out the ce 2 to solve this problem but the idea of a chorus and vibrato together in a pedal was a good one..a pity they didn't just upgrade the whole thing..for the record if i came across one in a pawn shop etc i would jump on it ...but i wouldn't be interested in paying silly money for either unless you have a dose of g.a.s...!!!!
Thanks for the feedback -- yeah, I was aware of that input issue on the CE-1... I guess that it wasn't originally intended to be a guitar pedal, it was more designed for input from a keyboard. I've heard that there are mods out there that address the input overloading issue (I've seen it mentioned as a sales feature for a CE-1 once in my travels on eBay). I haven't seen these mods documented anywhere yet, though.
It was just something I was thinking about, now that I've recently added a Tektronix 453 oscilloscope to my workbench tools -- if the characteristic sound of a CE-1 is influenced by how the LFO modulates the delay clock, and you could document that visually with waveforms, then perhaps it could be emulated with mods on another pedal -- take an relatively inexpensive CE-3, for example, and set it up with CE-1 and/or CE-2 mods... you'd get the best of both worlds: the stereo outs of the CE-3, with the chorus character of a CE-1 or CE-2. Boss does have an ensemble pedal that does this, but the emulation is all digital -- I was thinking about doing it analog instead.
At some point if I run across a CE-3 cheaply enough, I might do some experimentation to that end. I don't see any of the other mod guys out there doing anything like this -- usually they're just tweaking the vibrato for more extremities or simply improving fidelity with signal path upgrades (nicer caps, Burr-Brown op-amp, etc.).
C.K.
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CE1 vs CE2 any contest? Any point to getting one?
