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eeone
Bronze Member
Yugoslavia
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 Posted - 09/08/2005 : 10:54:14
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Well, considering Goran's last post, I'm beginning to think that Behringer didn't even have gigging in mind when designing these pedals. They were probably aimed at either buyers on a very low budget, beginners or players who prefer to play in their bedrooms (which is kind of strange for a company like Behringer since money lies elsewhere).
However, if one really likes the sound of a certain Behringer pedal, I don't think they would mind spending another 20 euro for a new one (in case the old one broke).
Another thing, I, personally, would pick the pedals for which I know I won't stopm very often nor hard on, like tuner, noise gate or line selector. But that's just me...
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 12:20:59
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It�s too bad if the pedal breaks during a gig..... |
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Plush Pile
Bronze Member
Australia
93 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 13:32:22
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So you wouldn't recommend a tuner for $AU40...
Thats cheaper than i can get a TU-2 on ebay for, and being a poor student cheaper is almost always better... |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 13:52:53
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I haven�t tested the tuner, but I suppose it�s just as fragile as the tremolo I tested. You get what you pay for....
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Plush Pile
Bronze Member
Australia
93 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 14:16:16
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Originally posted by Goran You get what you pay for....
True... i think i'll have a look, $40 is really cheap. |
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boss freak
Gold Member
USA
663 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 19:07:05
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I'm guessing that they are targeting beginning players or people that are on a tight budget, not gigging musicians. Depending on how the circuit boards are assembled (jacks mounted to PCB, etc.) they could be good candidates for re-boxing for those of us that have dead Boss pedals.  |
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sirlemonhead
Bronze Member
Ireland
64 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 20:59:20
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| Someone on Harmony central posted pictures of the insides. I can't imagine the behringers being rehousable in Boss casings..The pots and led are attatched to a shaft (to raise them up off the board high enough to poke out of the casing holes, if you get what I mean) which is attatched to the pcb. Everything is integrated :\ |
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boss freak
Gold Member
USA
663 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 21:05:00
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That sucks. |
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arcanon1313
Silver Member
USA
414 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 22:09:58
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I might get the tuner. I just can't afford the TU-2 right now, but when I get one i might (and probably will) give the behringer one to my Girlfriend (i figure that since I gave her my old Ibanez I should just give her all my old cast off gear). |
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boss freak
Gold Member
USA
663 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2005 : 01:06:19
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| Not a bad idea, but instead of a TU2 you may want to consider the new Korg tuner pedal. They're really nice and around the same price as the TU2. |
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eeone
Bronze Member
Yugoslavia
121 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2005 : 10:25:56
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My friend has a nice stomp tuner from korg. I believe it's an DT-10.
I can post specs and pics if you want. |
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Radioman
Copper Member
Australia
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Posted - 10/25/2005 : 16:59:15
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Check out the comments on www.harmony-central.com. Good reviews and people seem to be very happy. Just for fun I tried to crack the Behringer plastic box by standing on with my full weight (I am a heavy guy;-) it but did not manage. These buggers are really robust. I agree that the opening the battery compartment is a little annoying. They took that mechanism from the Digitech stomps.
Open one for yourself. The design is pretty smart as all components are on one main PCB. No wiring which is more reliable than the Boss Stomps as usually problems occur in the wiring / solder joints. Also they use double sided fibre glass boards which are better the single sided paper boards you'll find in most Boss stomps. Clever modern SMT design is the reason why they can offer it at such a low price. You might not like the fact that they reverse-engineered the Boss stomps but the design is not as bad as you might expect.
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Originally posted by eeone
Well, considering Goran's last post, I'm beginning to think that Behringer didn't even have gigging in mind when designing these pedals. They were probably aimed at either buyers on a very low budget, beginners or players who prefer to play in their bedrooms (which is kind of strange for a company like Behringer since money lies elsewhere).
However, if one really likes the sound of a certain Behringer pedal, I don't think they would mind spending another 20 euro for a new one (in case the old one broke).
Another thing, I, personally, would pick the pedals for which I know I won't stopm very often nor hard on, like tuner, noise gate or line selector. But that's just me...
Cheers!
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stinkfoot
Silver Member
Sweden
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Posted - 10/25/2005 : 21:31:44
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Originally posted by Radioman
Open one for yourself. The design is pretty smart as all components are on one main PCB. No wiring which is more reliable than the Boss Stomps as usually problems occur in the wiring / solder joints. Also they use double sided fibre glass boards which are better the single sided paper boards you'll find in most Boss stomps.
I completely disagree. Mounting everything on the pcb (including jacks, pots and the switch) is most definitely not as reliable as having jacks and pots mounted to the chassis, with wires to/from the pcb. While it does minimize the chance of human error (cold-soldering on a bleak hung-over monday morning, for instance), it is without a shred of a doubt not as reliable. It is simply a question of shock absorbtion, and the lack thereof.
In a modern Boss pedal, the only point of (physical) contact between the pcb and the outside world is through the adapter jack. Incidentally, the adapter jack breaking or coming loose from the pcb is about the only thing that ever seems to go wrong with Boss pedals.
In a Behringer pedal, all outside forces - yanking the cables from the input/output jacks, accidentally kicking the control knobs and of course stomping the pedal on/off - are transmitted directly to the main circuit board, without any cushioning at all. The jacks and pots aren't even secured to the box, so the only thing keeping them in place are the soldering joints. With a setup like that, it is just a matter of time before the joints (or worse, the pcb itself) starts developing cracks. I've seen it a million times, in a million Danelectros, Ibanez Soundtanks and 10 series pedals (among others).
And speaking of stress cracks - the switch actuator in the Behringer pedals is as simple as a piece of plastic underneath the battery cover, protruding through a hole in the casing and poking directly at a miniature switch on the pcb. 
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Clever modern SMT design is the reason why they can offer it at such a low price. You might not like the fact that they reverse-engineered the Boss stomps but the design is not as bad as you might expect.
Absolutely - they are very cleverly designed, with all the tiny SMT components located on the bottom of the board (facing the bottom section of the box) and the bigger electrolytics on top. And it is far cheaper to design everything to sit on one circuit board, which you can then wave solder and just slap the pedals together, compared to having people hand-solder wires and such. That goes without saying. Manufacturing in China, with super-low wages, also helps. And of course, if you decide to reverse-engineer most of your stuff (rather than develop your own), you can save quite a bit on the R&D department too.
Like Goran said, you get what you pay for. And as long as you're not expecting Boss quality and reliability for a third of the price, I don't see the harm in buying one. Just don't expect them to survive very long if you start gigging outside your bedroom... 
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walrus121
Silver Member
USA
187 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2005 : 05:33:51
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Originally posted by Plush Pile
So you wouldn't recommend a tuner for $AU40...
Thats cheaper than i can get a TU-2 on ebay for, and being a poor student cheaper is almost always better...
No, I believe that he said that he reccomended getting the tuner over other Behringer pedals because it doesn't get stomped on as much as your delay or something else might be. |
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walrus121
Silver Member
USA
187 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2005 : 05:39:20
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Originally posted by stinkfoot
In a modern Boss pedal, the only point of (physical) contact between the pcb and the outside world is through the adapter jack. Incidentally, the adapter jack breaking or coming loose from the pcb is about the only thing that ever seems to go wrong with Boss pedals.
Speaking of which, that is the same problem in the Ibanez 9-series pedals. Makes me wish that they would go back to the wired adapter jack. |
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