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Floydfandan
Copper Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 01/31/2008 : 00:41:17
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Right - I hope this makes sense!
In my effects set-up I have a wah pedal. I'd quite like to do a cover of Pink Floyd's Echoes as part of our set on occasion and part of the song requires the wah pedal to be plugged in backwards (ie guitar into the output, input goes to the amp) to get the strange 'Seagulls' effect that Gilmour uses. Its going to be a little awkward to change this manually between songs as I use that wah normally too. Does anyone happen to know if there is anything out there that I could use to plug into the loop between the wah to invert the inputs. I've looked but am stumped. Alternatively would something like this be easy to build?
Cheers
Daniel |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
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Posted - 01/31/2008 : 03:33:30
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| Sounds like it would be a complex build, though not impossible, but it might be kind of costly. I would just get another wah pedal, a splitter box and a Y-cable. Then again, if its just something you do every now and then, I would just find another way to get that sound, because its just 1 song that you do on occaision... |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 04:46:01
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It can certainly be done for around $20 or so.. thats pretty cheap! All you need is a drill, round file, phillips screwdriver, maybe needle-nosed pliers, a soldering iron, solder (non-plumbers type), experience or patience to take your time, & the following:
Hammond 1590B project box $6.99 http://www.hammondmfg.com/dwg.htm
2 Switchcraft #11 2 conductor jacks $2.00 each http://www.switchcraft.com/
4PDT (on/on) switch $3.25 (Sorry, I don't know of any good quality 4PDT PUSH-button switches)
http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/MTS-70/4PDT-ON-ON-MINI-TOGGLE-SWITCH/-/1.html
20-ga hookup wire $6.99 http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049743&cp=2032058.2032227.2032239&parentPage=family
Here's the quick circuit diagram I whipped up in about an hour:
I know it looks crazy but just follow the signal path. When the toggle is down, all 4 poles at the top are connected to the middle row. When the toggle is up, the bottom 4 poles are connected to the middle row. You have to jumper the 2 white lugs together (1 on top to the 1 on bottom), the 2 blues together, the 2 greens, & the 2 reds. The red & greens in the middle row are ONLY for INPUT & OUTPUT! Red is the TIP or signal of your TS 2-conductor wire whereas the Green will be the shield.
One thing to keep in mind: you're looking at the BOTTOM of the switch, so when you rotate it back up into mounting position, the layout of wires will be flipped up/down or left/right. I don't know how much experience you have with simple projects like this but take your time & don't get confused!
There's not really an easy way to incorporate an LED, let alone a bicolor LED to indicate which way you have it set.. you'd need a 5PDT switch to do that & I don't know if they exist!
Anyway, have fun & let us know how it turns out for you! If you have any questions, feel free to ask. 
(Man, I seem to LIVE on the Non Boss Gear Discussions thread. Sorry Bossarea  ) |
Edited by - DeFrag on 08/10/2009 18:10:23 |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 15:15:58
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fair play DeFrag.....super mod..i know gilmour got pete cornish to do something similar with his wah... hello and welcome to Floydfandan,nice to see a fellow floydster on the forum.... you will have to give us a run down of your rig and pedalboard soon as i'm sure it will be interesting.......i don't know if you know this site but it is very good with all things relating to gilmour it's www.gilmourish.com well worth checking out the members pedalboard section is amazing.... |
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Floydfandan
Copper Member
United Kingdom
8 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 23:21:19
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Wow that seems perfect - thanks DeFrag!!! I'll definitely look into that. I've also found a small company here in the UK that specialises in guitar/effects switchers that sells 4PDT footswitches. I'll give it a go and let you know how I get on 
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2008 : 16:38:52
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You're welcome mate! We expect to hear how turn out for ya. 
What song on Echoes does this "seagull" effect appear? I'd like to hear it, Tks. |
Edited by - DeFrag on 02/01/2008 16:40:40 |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2008 : 19:46:45
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| Hi DeFrag...'echoes' is one song that takes up the whole of the second side of the floyd album 'meddle' it's sometimes pointed to as the start of the classic floyd sound and a idea of things to come . i.e dark side of the moon etc......a bit like the beatles with 'rubber soul' and 'revolver' before sgt peppers and the white album.. i love the early beatles and the floyd as well as the later stuff...the first albums i heard by the floyd was 'obscured by clouds' and dark side then i got my hands on the rest..i got the new reissued box set of 'piper at the gates of dawn' for christmas probably the one of the few original floyd albums i never listened to before..... |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2008 : 20:31:49
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Tks, I actually have that album (er.. cassette). I guess its been way too long since I've heard it especially since Floyd is my favorite band of all time.
If Echoes is the whole side, can you tell me what sound I'll be listening for that exhibits this reverse wah effect? |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2008 : 22:18:29
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It's the bit where you hear the 'seagulls' in the piece..it's a while since i've listened to it as well but thats actually gilmour with the reverse wah....i've read an article ages ago explaining how he did it,but i'm too lazy to pull the cry baby wah off the board to try it... .....one of my favourite albums by the floyd is 'animals' i thought gilmours guitar playing was excellent on that one...i'll probably go down in flames for this but i never thought they were the same band without waters,you need the evil streak of his lyrics to cut through...gilmour brought the music and the vocals but waters made sure things didn't get too sweet.... |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2008 : 23:04:40
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
It's the bit where you hear the 'seagulls' in the piece..it's a while since i've listened to it as well but thats actually gilmour with the reverse wah....i've read an article ages ago explaining how he did it,but i'm too lazy to pull the cry baby wah off the board to try it........one of my favourite albums by the floyd is 'animals' i thought gilmours guitar playing was excellent on that one...i'll probably go down in flames for this but i never thought they were the same band without waters,you need the evil streak of his lyrics to cut through...gilmour brought the music and the vocals but waters made sure things didn't get too sweet....
I concur, Animals was always their best IMO. |
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nosi0
Gold Member
Netherlands
511 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2008 : 02:49:37
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| If you had a LS-2 lying around you could just buy a cable with 2 jacks on one end and one jack on the other and plug it into the wah. Then connect one of the 2 jacks to the A out and the other to the B in. and vice versa for the A in and the B out. then you set the LS-2 to switch between A and B. (A and B at the same time might be harmfull to the pedal) I believe this might work although i can't try it. |
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nosi0
Gold Member
Netherlands
511 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2008 : 18:35:52
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| Would the LS-2 trick i made up work? |
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Floydfandan
Copper Member
United Kingdom
8 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2008 : 16:31:21
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I don't own an LS-2 so cant try it out. If anyone knows whether this might work I may give that a go too.
The bit in Echoes is about halfway through ~ 12 minutes in, i think. To get the effect you plug the wah in backwards then have the volume on the guitar full and the tone at zero. You need to push the wah all the way to the floor (ie heel down) and then turn the tone control up and down to get the effect. The 'laughing' sort of sound happens when the tone is on the border or being off or on. I think you can do this with any wah pedal but I use a Cry Baby. I think Gilmour used a Vox wah on the recording.
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2009 : 17:59:29
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Good link that is perfect to resurrect this thread.
I need to try this sometime.
How to wire up a 1590B |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 20:47:43
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PaulH
Gold Member
535 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2009 : 14:27:10
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You can actually get the effect with delay and a volume pedal (or good use of the volume knob on a strat and your pinky).
Lots of sting bends are required!
Interestingly, part of the "wind noise" in the background of the seagull noises on middle part of Echoes is done by Roger Waters on the bass.
Basically, use a slide and just rest it on the strings around the 12th fret, and then make circular patterns with it, add some delay and there you have it.
Both are easy effects to reproduce with good use of just delay & volume... they're just a bugger to get exacly right.
If you have the album Meddle.
The Seagull effect comes in after about 12 minutes up to about 14 minutes.
The bass wind-noise comes in a bit before.
If you have the album Echoes The Best Of Pink Floyd.
The track Echoes has been edited down (particularly the Seagull bit)
Anyway... the Seagull effect comes in after about 9 1/2 minutes up to about 10 1/2 minutes.
Again, the bass wind-noise comes in a bit before. |
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