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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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 Posted - 03/21/2008 : 16:52:57
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Folks, I have my new (to me) CS-3 sitting staring at me saying "just fiddle with me some more - I can sound OK if you give me a chance".
Just did the Monte Allums Opto Plus mod. All went well, and it behaves exactly as it should.
But... I've not really been able to get what I want out of it before or after the mod. Do they all "squash" the sound "too much"? What settings make this thing the most musical? I can't seem to get it dialed in...
Thanks in advance!
Laurie.
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 03/21/2008 : 17:16:42
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Hi lauries2
Do you know the meaning of "File 13"
It's a great & infinite storage area, it can & does, solve many day to day problems.
Even with Wayward pedals.  
Regards Dr. Bob
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2008 : 17:28:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Bob
Do you know the meaning of "File 13"
Not sure I'm ready to bin it just yet  |
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The_Doc
Gold Member
United Kingdom
509 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2008 : 18:46:31
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Had the same problem and I've tried and I've tried - different amps, different guitars, different places on the board and I still never feel 100% happy with it. I've gone back to my CS-2 and just bought a Keeley Compressor too - an impulse buy - in frustration!  |
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Right Foot Boss
Gold Member
USA
881 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 01:02:28
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 03:45:17
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Laurie,
what sound do you want out of it?
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 05:35:00
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Originally posted by zentropa
Laurie,
what sound do you want out of it?
I'd settle for something "musical" It just sounds "crushed" (rather than "compressed")
Actually, I've fiddled with it some more today and have found an OK sustain setting.
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ChristoMephisto
Platinum Member
Canada
1288 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 12:25:28
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Hey Lauries2
Did you check what the mod does when the new parts are in?
I've made it a habit to look over the schem and mod specs and compare the two. Alot of the time is a simple bandpass, or hi/lo pass alteration to allow more or less bass through. I know a link to a R/C calculator.
When I got my CS2, initially was unimpressed by it, on its own.
Placed it infront of a CE2 and wow what a difference!!
Same with my wah and ft2, and other modulation effects. Compressors are subtle but amazing. David Gilmour has two comps on his pedal board. |
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 15:48:43
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Laurie,
it's been a decade since i owned one but if i remember, a few of the settings have to be set to 12 o'clock or below to avoid the tone crush.
i only really used mine with either distortion or an effect afterwards and that seemed to work quite well for what i was looking for (lead boost/clarity). |
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Tele_Man
Bronze Member
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2008 : 01:55:53
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Not to hijack the thread, but someone please explain to me what a compressor does in every day language. I know the "science" behind it, in terms of boosting fading signals and squashing stronger signals above a set threshold, BUT I still can't quite equate that into what I should be hearing. Perhaps some can point me to some sound clips? I've heard a Keeley sound clip of his BD-2 mod without a compressor then with. I hear a difference, but I'm not sure about what I'm hearing. What should I listen for? Honestly, I kinda liked the clip without the compressor better? What am I missing or "mishearing?"
Is it one of those effects, like the EH-2, that you won't hear any dramatic change at first, but will notice it big time when it's not there? When I hear people talk about a speaker compressing the sound or a distortion pedal compressing the sound, is it the same thing?
Someone please help!
Thanks, and Happy Easter! |
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2008 : 02:27:07
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tele man:
basically, a compressors keeps louder notes from overpowering quieter notes (thicker strings have higher output than thinner strings).
an example would be if you ring a low E string hard and then play a couple of notes on the high E, B, and G strings. the low E will probably mud up the sound because it is louder than the other strings (even moreso if there's distortion/effects going). a compressor will reduce the volume of the low E to a level closer to the volume of the other strings.
most players i know use compressors for solos/lead work.
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Tele_Man
Bronze Member
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2008 : 02:40:57
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the low E will probably mud up the sound because it is louder than the other strings (even moreso if there's distortion/effects going). a compressor will reduce the volume of the low E to a level closer to the volume of the other strings.
Thanks zentropa, that helps a lot. You've given me a better sense of why one would use a compressor. While I've always had a sense of what it does (sorta) I've never really understood why one would want or need that effect. Now I have a sense of what to listen for and perhaps my ear will become a bit more refined in the process. 
I guess I just need to buy a compressor and start experimenting. So should it be the CS-2 or the CS-3?
Follow-up: How does this relate to country-style chicken pickin'? I've always heard compressors talked about in regards to chicken pickin'.
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2008 : 03:49:42
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because chicken pickin often has a lot of treble notes that want to be brought out and the bass notes will often cover them up.
here's a demo of a compressor (non-boss) where you can turn the effect on/off and see what it's doing.
http://www.digitech.com/products/xseriesflash/Mainsqueeze.html |
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pedals 4 pv
Platinum Member
Canada
1351 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2008 : 04:03:48
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| Best of all, for chicken pickin, it kills those little unwanted background hammers, pulls and rattles that you get if your timing isn't just perfect. The CE-3 does a good job of this, it's a good pedal in my book and I play mostly Bluegrass |
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Tele_Man
Bronze Member
USA
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2008 : 05:49:36
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np.
those samples were fairly subtle. at high volumes it's a lot more noticeable, especially if you are playing at high gain.
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The CE-3 does a good job of this, it's a good pedal in my book and I play mostly Bluegrass
i hope you mean CS-3 :) |
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CS-3 .. I *know* this has gone around before
