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zerksies
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
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 Posted - 12/08/2009 : 19:05:22
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| I did work on a counterfit gibson guitar about 2 year ago.You couldn't even tell it was a fake, it was that good. but i called gibson and they checked ot the serial number and they said it was not a good number |
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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 01:55:26
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Thanks for all your replies guys. I've been doing some serious reading on them all.
Out of curiosity, how much would you guys reckon one of these is worth? |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 03:14:22
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To be honest DasBeef..walnut finish guitar weren't the most collectable Gibbos for a long time ..a bit like 70's strats..i'm more of a Fender person but i can see a growing market for anything old these days,some of the 70's strats were pretty crap with low build/quality standards..but there is always an exception to any guitar..i suggest your main priority is to play it first..bring your Blackstar amp along to see if it works for you and if it really is what you want...
your best bet is to check all the small ad's to see what price the market is at the moment but i reckon for any Gibson of that era your looking at a price tag upwards of a grand+...but like i said in my previous post ...cash is king...remember that bro' before handing over the hard earned green....
I see you have changed your avatar..is there a story behind it...?sorry if i'm being nosy..... |
Edited by - FRANZONI on 12/09/2009 03:16:46 |
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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 03:37:29
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Cheers FRANZ. I'm going to give it a serious rattle, and I am more than willing to walk away if I'm not happy. I saw two of these from a similar era on Vintage and Rare Guitars and one was �3000 and the other was �3500. Obviously the more expensive being in better condition. I was eyeing them for ages and they both sold. On that site they currently have two 345's for the same respective prices with regard to condition.
I also had a look on eBay, and there are two on there. They both look in fairly good condition also. One is in the UK with a starting bid of �1800, about 5 days to go and no current interest. The other is in the US with a BIN of around the equivelant of �2250.
V&RG ES 345 �2950
V&RG ES 345 �3450
eBay 335 Starting @ �1800
eBay 335 BIN �2250
So that's basically why I'm asking about price. I want to ensure I'm not over paying.
*As for the avatar. Just thought it was time I updated it with a picture of my last ridiculous mowser. I was actually giggling like a kid when I made the Mario 'M' for my hat. I just do these things to wind up my girl you know.... |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 03:38:11
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Originally posted by zerksies
I did work on a counterfit gibson guitar about 2 year ago.You couldn't even tell it was a fake, it was that good. but i called gibson and they checked ot the serial number and they said it was not a good number
was it a Les Paul and how old did it look Zerks..? there is a lot of fake LP's comming out of china at the moment but the pics DasBeef posted look like it's the real thing..
only one thing for some reason the label inside the guitar looks like it was ripped..could be an innocent explanation that it was pissing of a previous owner by been able to be seen from the front but worth a question....
Unless you have your heart set on a vintage gibbo check some of the small ad's in 'guitarist' and guitar and bass mags..i've been checking out the prices in some of my back issues for you and i've seen 335's for as low as �1250 back in 2007 before the crash...obviously not a vintage 335 but personally i think V&R guitars to be a rip off...do your own thing first..there will be lots of guitars coming up for sale unfortunately.. .depending on what way you look at it..... |
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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 03:40:00
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
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Originally posted by zerksies
I did work on a counterfit gibson guitar about 2 year ago.You couldn't even tell it was a fake, it was that good. but i called gibson and they checked ot the serial number and they said it was not a good number
was it a Les Paul and how old did it look Zerks..? there is a lot of fake LP's comming out of china at the moment but the pics DasBeef posted look like it's the real thing..
only one thing for some reason the label inside the guitar looks like it was ripped..could be an innocent explanation that it was pissing of a previous owner by been able to be seen from the front but worth a question....
I did spy the torn Label, but assumed it was because it was pissing someone off. I will ask the question though. Also, the one I'm looking at does not come with a case. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 03:46:23
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I was editing/ajusting my post so read the last bit...
looks like were a couple of night owls..... ..... |
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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 04:03:39
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Ha ha! I'm actually on night shift. It's like lunch time for me or something! 
Did you catch my first reply about prices and that?
I have been a bit of a Fender man myself for years, but have been seriously eyeing up a 335 ever since I played one. Sound and feel was just amazing. Really like the look of the walnut 335's, and the fact it's vintage is just a bonus. A new 335 will currently cost around �1800 over here. And I also prefer the block inlays to the dot. The new ones at �1800 are generally dot's. As for the trapeze bridge, i'm not really fussed. I think it make it look more vintage! |
Edited by - DasBeef on 12/09/2009 04:07:31 |
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sp-1
Platinum Member
Germany
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 09:42:12
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Here' an ad from holland.
Te koop ; Orginele Gibson Es 335 td 1970
Ultimate in tone
70 " thin neck feels great
Serial number 902146
Made in USA
Stop tail piece conversion
Schaller Tuners
Classic 335 Sound
Really Superb Condition
Like new Gibson case
It is a 1970 ES- 335 TD
I truly hate to see this go!
The seller askes 3699 euros for it.
Highest bid so far is 2500 Euros, just to give you an idea.
Don't know about the new avatar, too happy for my taste  |
Edited by - sp-1 on 12/09/2009 12:28:22 |
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sp-1
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DasBeef
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2009 : 23:50:44
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
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Originally posted by zerksies
I did work on a counterfit gibson guitar about 2 year ago.You couldn't even tell it was a fake, it was that good. but i called gibson and they checked ot the serial number and they said it was not a good number
was it a Les Paul and how old did it look Zerks..? there is a lot of fake LP's comming out of china at the moment but the pics DasBeef posted look like it's the real thing..
only one thing for some reason the label inside the guitar looks like it was ripped..could be an innocent explanation that it was pissing of a previous owner by been able to be seen from the front but worth a question....
Unless you have your heart set on a vintage gibbo check some of the small ad's in 'guitarist' and guitar and bass mags..i've been checking out the prices in some of my back issues for you and i've seen 335's for as low as �1250 back in 2007 before the crash...obviously not a vintage 335 but personally i think V&R guitars to be a rip off...do your own thing first..there will be lots of guitars coming up for sale unfortunately...depending on what way you look at it.....
It was a les paul, I really don't remember the serial number I was thinking it would of been in the late 80's the guitar.It was a japanese counterfit .
DasBeef i would place the guitar about $3000USD |
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DasBeef
Gold Member
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Posted - 12/10/2009 : 02:02:09
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Well guys, I went too see it tonight, but ended up walking away. There were many small things about it I just wasn't comfortable with, and I promised myself that if that was the case I'd walk away.
The reason I want a 335 is because I played a friends, and the sound, quality, feel, and playability of the guitar was exceptional. My friends was a newer Cherry Red model. The finish I want is Walnut, and therefore, the age isn't important. Sound, feel and playability are my main objectives, and I just really like the look of the walnut versions. So here's the lowdown if you are interested in bullet points as to why I didn't go for it.
The guy hadn't even dusted the guitar? If I was selling a guitar, I'd have it looking it's best.
It played nice but, having played both a Gibson and and Epiphone version, this one felt more like an Epiphone. I offer no explanations as to why.
It felt very light.
The bridge pickup volume cut in and out. The pot needed cleaned or replaced.
The neck pick up volume control made the pickup silent at about 6 or 7 on the dial.
The headstock decal wasn't smooth, and just didn't look quality in the flesh. Might be age, might be how it's supposed to be. Just didn't sit right.
I was playing it through the guys vintage Peavey valve amp, and wasn't 'wowed' by the sound.
The indented serial number wasn't indented as much as the MADE IN USA stamp. Had possibly been painted or glazed over.
The Walnut just didn't look that good. I have seen better examples.
The frets looked almost new. Hardly any wear. The guy said he had owned it for 6 or 7 years and never really played it. Who the hell owns a guitar like that and doesn't play it. Unless, for all the reasons I stated above.
Many of these things may be as they should be, but as I have little experience, I felt it would be a stupid move for me to gamble. After experiencing this, I have realised that I will need to see 6, 12 or even more of these guitars before I actually get a good idea of how everything should be. This was the first one I had viewed.
The last thing I'd add is I didn't even haggle with the guy. I just said, 'This isn't the one for me. Sorry, but thanks for your time'. His reply was, 'It's ok. I'm selling it to a guy in London anyway. Would have just been nice to do the deal here.'. Don't know if he was trying to reel me back in, but my mind was made up. Also, he was a car salesman, and therefore a professional haggler. That put me off a bit from the get go.
Was good to go through the experience. The asking price, since I never mentioned it was �1800.
I'll also add that when it comes to this guitar, I think I'll know the one for me as soon as I put it in my hand, and this one wasn't it.
Please add any comments to what I have said here, and point out anything I've gotten wrong. I need to gather as much information as possible about buying vintage Gibson ES 335's if I am going to continue searching for my dream walnut model.
Thanks for all your help and comments guys. As usual, you have all been awesome! |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 12/10/2009 : 02:17:32
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Originally posted by DasBeef
I think I'll know the one for me as soon as I put it in my hand
Indeed. |
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Might be away to buy my dream guitar...
