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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 09/02/2009 : 20:44:36
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| Right, after gathering a multitude of pedals, I think it's getting high time I got a proper useable board together, instead of randomly throwing in whatever takes my fancy on the day. I'm interested in the Behringer PB1000, and wandered if anyone had any experience with it? If it's any good? or if I'd be better off with a BCB-60? |
Edited by - Dr. Bob on 09/03/2009 17:01:58 |
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Ollie
Gold Member
United Kingdom
729 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2009 : 00:34:52
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I've heard good things about them, if youre interesting in pedaltrains then give me a shout :)
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 09/03/2009 : 01:44:27
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i made my own out of some ply,2x1" a couple of carpet tiles and latches and a handle for the lid..that berhinger board is fairly big and heavy by all accounts and its made for 12 pedals.... |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2009 : 04:41:15
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Dr. Bob will have an opinion on this (he bought one recently)... be worth watinging for it once the time-zones align  |
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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
704 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2009 : 05:33:15
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Originally posted by Laurie
Dr. Bob will have an opinion on this (he bought one recently)... be worth watinging for it once the time-zones align
I await the low down from down under.... |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
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Posted - 09/03/2009 : 09:44:16
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My two cents (or pence, for DasBeef since he's in the UK)...
The PB1000 is an awesome piece of kit. Build quality it stands up to the BCB-60. I was surprised when I got mine as most of the other Beh stuff I've bought is a bit rubbish build wise (ie like the Beh clone pedals - excellent effects but plastic enclosures... yuck).
The price in Aus is actually less than if you were to buy the BCB-60, and as everyone knows, the PB1000 holds twice the pedals. This is very handy when you are a Boss-aholic and have loads of pedals.
The power supply is sufficiently grunty for even the hungriest current drawing monsters and the foam is specifically cut for Boss pedals (not Beh as one might expect).
There are of course a couple of cons: It is big. If you only have limited space the PB1000 might crownd you a bit. But hey, if you've already got loads of pedals that's not going to change anything! I've also found that it doesn't come with enough patch leads to facilitate a full stereo set up... Aside from that it's all good (IMHO).
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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
704 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2009 : 10:34:06
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Thanks for the reply. Another question I meant to ask in the original post is...
Will it also power my MIJ ACA boss pedals? Does it work on the same principal as daisy chaining from a boss supply, as in, so long as you have a PSA pedal in there it will work?
Cheers... |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
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Posted - 09/03/2009 : 12:58:44
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| I was thinking about getting one a few months ago.But thinking 12 pedals and sound degration made me think twice. but i have seen boards using one |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 09/03/2009 : 17:00:47
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Hi DasBeef, Laurie, Olle, Franzoni, nathu, zerksies & Guys
Did I get everyone so far?
A little over a month ago, & friend & I purchased the new BehringClone PB600, 6 way pedal boards.
At first sight it looks like a direct clone of the BCB-60,
but it does have some subtle differences.
It's very sturdy, comes with a bunch of jumper cables, a couple are different lengths to allow for on-out connections or if you don't fill up all the spaces.
It also comes with a 7 way daisy chain power lead.
and like the PB1000 (12 way board) it comes with a 1700ma (1.7Amp) Switching Power Supply.
"Surprisingly" mine has been very quiet in the home studio & lab.
I have even connected it to an RC-2 and it's quiet so far.
Sadly my friends power supply seems to have gone faulty in the first 2 weeks.
It is producing the most horrific switching noise I have ever heard.
But it's still outputting 9V of some type
- I have not looked at what it looks like on my scope.
But I don't think I really need, or want to.
He will be returning it under warranty.
Don't let the supply fault detract you from the actual board.
It's a very well made bit of gear, it's sturdy & had good latches.
I was waiting for a bit test time with the PB600 before I made any comments about it.
Yes I would buy another one.
The price point is excellent, but do shop around, we managed to,
get a bit over $70au off the retail price, by going to a few different dealers.
The discount was for a one off unit as well, even though we purchased 2 at the same time.
I am so impressed, I have been contemplating getting a second one.
Check out the pics on the BehringCone site.
It has the tuner compartment like the BCB-60, but the same area on the left is a little different.
manual is plain & simple.
it has a removable power rail at the right hand side, so you can fit a Wah, or some longer pedal.
The foam cutouts amazingly fit Boss pedals, inc, the cut out for the power plugs...
I'm not sure if you can get spare foam pedal inserts.
They are held in with 2 large thumb screws - aka the BCB-60.
The BCB-60 has become ridiculously priced here in Oz, as an example
the RRP is around $340au ( did you fall off your chair yet?).
But they will discount it to around $299au.
The PB-100 is around RRP $199au,
most places will discount it to around $169au, if you ask politely.
we found a retail store in Melb that sold them over the counter for $120au.
You do the math, it was a no brainer at that price.
In my opinion, get one, you won't be disappointed.
If you live in Oz get 2, it's still cheaper than a single BCB-60
--- Sorry Boss, but BehringClone win the battle on this one.
As for the PB1000 (12 way board), I felt that it was too bug.
Fill it with 12 pedals & then try lugging it around.
The 12 way is very good for people with a few Twin pedals & A Wah.
I belive it was PaulH, that posted a pic of his setup like this.
I did feel that the molding on the PB1000 was a little poor and misfitting.
on the very early one I looked at about 18 months ago.
The exterior of both units has BehrngClone text, & their triangle with the ear in it logo, molded in the top of the exterior.
But it's tasteful, unless you are very Boss patriotic.
Dasbeef, I hope this helps
In the end go take a close look at both units & make your own decision/conclusions.
My wallet voted the other way this time.
I think I just gave myself another dose of GAS just writing this.
BTW, stupidly the PB1000 was priced slightly cheaper at my local music store, go figure.
For the price, you can always replace the included power pack with a non-switching type,
that's what I'll be doing for the RC-2 at least, & always carry a spare supply.
For those that are going to ask, I haven't take any pics, as the board is in constant flux, at the moment.
Regards Dr. Bob  |
Edited by - Dr. Bob on 09/03/2009 18:26:51 |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2009 : 17:44:34
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2009 : 19:28:10
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Originally posted by zerksies
I was thinking about getting one a few months ago.But thinking 12 pedals and sound degration made me think twice. but i have seen boards using one
i use a LS-2 to keep some pedals out of the way when i don't need them.... |
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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
704 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2009 : 19:46:19
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I have a new looper/mixer pedal, which I could use to take some of the pedals, but may have to use it to split my signal between 2 amps. (See my other current post) I also have a PSM-5 which will take some of them out of the loop, and I can always pick up a cheap loop pedal of eBay.
Thanks for the responses guys. It seems like pretty much everyone thinks this is sturdy piece of kit, with the main concerns being tone loss from jamming 12 pedals in there, and the weight, which won't really bother me. Looking at a few sites the BCB-60 is coming in at just over �100, whereas the behringer I found for around �75 new. I think I could pick these up slightly cheaper from eBay, but not by enough to make me bother.
Anyone got an answer for the powering MIJ (ACA series) pedals off the Behringer board? |
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Witloofboer
Gold Member
Belgium
513 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2009 : 20:49:23
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Two other questions:
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Would a wah fit into a PB600?-
My setup is mono. Is it possible to use the one of the output jacks so I can leave my footswitch in the board and use another cable from my amp to the output jack.
@ DasBeef: I guess it will work. The power supply does exactly the same thing as a Boss PSA. |
Edited by - Witloofboer on 09/03/2009 20:53:42 |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2009 : 02:18:10
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Originally posted by DasBeef
I have a new looper/mixer pedal, which I could use to take some of the pedals, but may have to use it to split my signal between 2 amps. (See my other current post) I also have a PSM-5 which will take some of them out of the loop, and I can always pick up a cheap loop pedal of eBay.
Thanks for the responses guys. It seems like pretty much everyone thinks this is sturdy piece of kit, with the main concerns being tone loss from jamming 12 pedals in there, and the weight, which won't really bother me. Looking at a few sites the BCB-60 is coming in at just over �100, whereas the behringer I found for around �75 new. I think I could pick these up slightly cheaper from eBay, but not by enough to make me bother.
Anyone got an answer for the powering MIJ (ACA series) pedals off the Behringer board?
I Found the psm-5 to be a noisy pedal. i wouldrather see you get another ls-2 you could have tons amount of loops with this combo |
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PaulH
Gold Member
535 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2009 : 19:35:37
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I use a PB1000.
I used to use a Boss BCB60, but I needed a bit more space, and room to fit the volume pedal.
I don't use amps any more, so my pedal board is everything (other than the guitar and the mixing desk).
I got a bit a foam from a local hardware shop, cut the sapces I needed and I got everything to fit in.
I've found the all-important power supply to be better than the Boss one
Anyway, here it is...
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ChristoMephisto
Platinum Member
Canada
1288 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2009 : 22:48:56
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I use the PB1000 and think its great, except for the weight with 12 Boss pedals (weighing in at 22lbs.) With the Behringer pedals, I'm sure it will be alot lighter. It was about $20-20 Cdn less than the Boss BCB60 and just as sturdy.
If I go out, I just pack a BCB3 and a Mircoamp.
Got rid of the supplied daisy chain, just too much slack on it and got two Roland 8-male daisy chains and use a NS2/LS2 in one of the corners to run the other half. Seems the NS2 and LS2 can handle the power distribution of 1.7A as well as Boss's 1A adapter.
Nice to have a second row, easier when your looping up or down through a NS2 or a LS2.
Altho not sure why the cut outs have a small notch for the adapter when the Behringer pedal's plug is on the side. It would be like if Boss started making the BCB's cutouts already cut for BMPs and EHX pedals. Aside from the supplied blanks. |
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Behringer PB1000 (12 pedals) - PB600 (6 pedals)
