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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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 Posted - 09/17/2008 : 07:35:49
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Another data point: MIJ, Serial: 720000, dBX chip, sounds good
I think we have a trend here... Bossarea, is there enough data yet to justify mentioning that two versions exist (THAT and dBX) on the pedal description page?
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Shoegazers Anonymous
Silver Member
Sweden
257 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2008 : 16:41:52
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| Hi! I donīt wanna hijack this thred either. But I have a little problem of my own with compression. I use as a sustainer and have a MIJ CS-3 and a MIJ CS-2, I also have a old old Dynacomp and a LM-2. Now I have tested them all and found that the Dynacomp was too much effect. Also the CS-2 - wich is annoying cause all say that itīs the best. The CS-3 sounds good, but I bought it yesterday and have not tested it that much yet. Before I used a LM-2 as a sustainer and were totally happy with it. But as the idiot I am it annoyed me that it was a limiter or not a compressor, so I hunted for a CS-2 or CS-3. So wich pedal is best for use as a sustainer only without colouring the sound too much? |
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Shoegazers Anonymous
Silver Member
Sweden
257 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2008 : 16:47:30
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I have used it a lot as a compressor and the trick is to set the two last controls at the right at the same value. Try to set them at nine o clock both and the tone at twelve and the level at desired level. I really have tested this around and this is the best compressor-mode. A way better then any "real" compressor that I heard.
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Originally posted by controlfreak
can anyone tell me how i can use my LM-2 as a compressor? i've heard it can do both!!
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2008 : 16:48:17
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Originally posted by Shoegazers Anonymous
Hi! I donīt wanna hijack this thred either. But I have a little problem of my own with compression. I use as a sustainer and have a MIJ CS-3 and a MIJ CS-2, I also have a old old Dynacomp and a LM-2. Now I have tested them all and found that the Dynacomp was too much effect. Also the CS-2 - wich is annoying cause all say that itīs the best. The CS-3 sounds good, but I bought it yesterday and have not tested it that much yet. Before I used a LM-2 as a sustainer and were totally happy with it. But as the idiot I am it annoyed me that it was a limiter or not a compressor, so I hunted for a CS-2 or CS-3. So wich pedal is best for use as a sustainer only without colouring the sound too much?
The best sustainer I have in my collection is a MIJ CS-3 with a dBX chip. I like it a lot as a sustainer... |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 16:49:16
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I'd say the CS-3, but since you've allready used the LM-2 for a long time and you were satisfied, why not continue using it?
Who cares what the label on the pedal says? If it sounds right and works for you, then it's fine.
You are right about the dynacomp, it's also too squishy for my taste.
I never tried a CS-2, and I use compression a bit differently than you, I mostly use it to mimiq a tube amps natural compression with bassguitar and I have an old CS-3 I love.
I also used the LMB-3 in the past, and that was good too. |
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Shoegazers Anonymous
Silver Member
Sweden
257 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2008 : 16:54:31
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Yeah, as I said, im an idiot who even cares about it. Maybe itīs because of the colour. I think that I shall go home tonight and paint it black without text and make it my secret weapon instead. (I have two of them so I can paint one just for fun, and I know a new with box sheap) 
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Originally posted by Dirk
I'd say the CS-3, but since you've allready used the LM-2 for a long time and you were satisfied, why not continue using it?
Who cares what the label on the pedal says? If it sounds right and works for you, then it's fine.
You are right about the dynacomp, it's also too squishy for my taste.
I never tried a CS-2, and I use compression a bit differently than you, I mostly use it to mimiq a tube amps natural compression with bassguitar and I have an old CS-3 I love.
I also used the LMB-3 in the past, and that was good too.
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 09/27/2008 : 16:12:39
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Originally posted by Laurie
I've been thinking about this a bit more, and I'm wondering what the manufacturing tolerance spread is for the THAT chip? It might be possible that the THAT has such a spread that it materially affects the sound:
- one end of the spread = yuck (my newer CS-3)
- middle of the spread = OK (published specs and Boss' design point)
- other end of the spread = great (my older CS-3)
Just thinking out loud, but it's the only thing I think that can make such a HUGE difference in the sound like I hear my two CS-3's.
Hi Laure & Guys
Laurie here is the info for my CS-3
MIJ - ACA S/N 735000 Dec86
IC3
dBX Chip 1467732
C1252H2 JA 630A
The dBx has a 5.1V (D1) zener for some kind of regulation.
IC4
BA718
608 310
IC1 & IC2 OP-AMPS
MN5218L
6717
BTW guys. does anyone have a CS-3 Schematic, that uses the dBx Chip.
The only one I have has the THAT chip.
Which really now leads me into the question:
When you are getting A CS-3 mod from guys like Monte, Keeley - others
Which version of the CS-3 is the mod for?
Regards Dr. Bob |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
1309 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2008 : 18:27:43
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That's a good question, my dear doctor.
I assume the mods will work fine with all types, I do know that the Monte opto plus mod sounds fine with my DBX model pedal, MIT '90.
Having this said, I did leave diode D7 to stock, but instead changed D6 to germanium.
It's a little less squashy that way, and sounds more tubey to my ears. |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2008 : 18:36:42
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| Monte mod sounds barely OK with my THAT version. Needed a lot more work. |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/27/2008 : 20:32:43
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Originally posted by Laurie
Another data point: MIJ, Serial: 720000, dBX chip, sounds good
I think we have a trend here... Bossarea, is there enough data yet to justify mentioning that two versions exist (THAT and dBX) on the pedal description page?
Yes, you're perfectly right. Don't know if the changes amount to more than the THAT/Dbx chip but it's definitely worth mentioning.
It looks like the change took place somewhere between Dirk's May-90 (B4) and my May-93 (H0). Anyone got a CS-3 inbetween these dates so we can pinpoint the change date? |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2008 : 05:11:03
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Here is yet another variation on the CS-3 theme... I just bought a dead one today for cheap - IC1 and IC2 are in-line 4558 op amps, and IC4 is a 5218 moved along so that pin #1 of the chip is in hole #2 (pin #8 is in hole #9, the +9V supply). Not a BA718 to be seen...
It's also missing R8 - the 47R resistor between pin #4 and pin #2 of the THAT chip. Looks like it was never installed at the factory.
IC1 (an in-line 4558) was dead, so an easy fix. Sounds OK, but a little noisy - I'm guessing that the 4558's have something to do with that, or it might be the missing 47R resistor - I'd appreciate any comments on the missing resistor....
Serial FW01088, July 2007. |
Edited by - Laurie on 11/02/2008 05:17:11 |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 11/02/2008 : 13:03:41
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Originally posted by Laurie
Here is yet another variation on the CS-3 theme... I just bought a dead one today for cheap - IC1 and IC2 are in-line 4558 op amps, and IC4 is a 5218 moved along so that pin #1 of the chip is in hole #2 (pin #8 is in hole #9, the +9V supply). Not a BA718 to be seen...
It's also missing R8 - the 47R resistor between pin #4 and pin #2 of the THAT chip. Looks like it was never installed at the factory.
IC1 (an in-line 4558) was dead, so an easy fix. Sounds OK, but a little noisy - I'm guessing that the 4558's have something to do with that, or it might be the missing 47R resistor - I'd appreciate any comments on the missing resistor....
Serial FW01088, July 2007.
Hi Laurie & guys
Really interesting FIND/s - I guess we are lucky you picked up the faulty CS-3.
If time allows, please post some pics of the PCB, and external case if there are any visible differences.
Please PM me the Hi-res ones before you resize them for the forum.
I now feel more disillusioned with madding any CS-3's fro friends.
Like I stated in an above post
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Which really now leads me into the question:
When you are getting A CS-3 mod from guys like Monte, Keeley - others
Which version of the CS-3 is the mod for?
Laurie, after you repaired it,
did it sound good, like the other good CS-3 or was it one of the poorer  -ier sounding ones?
Being from 2007, I guess it was MIT?
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Edited by - Dr. Bob on 11/02/2008 13:26:11 |
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Shoegazers Anonymous
Silver Member
Sweden
257 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2008 : 14:37:07
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Recorded a few new songs in the studio for a few weeks ago. I used the CS-3 in one song and the CS-2 in one and noticed that the CS-3 sounds great crispy and bright even when tone is set at 12, but it has something that I dont like that sounds much more on tape then while just listening to my amp while playing. Itīs like a whip at the start at every tone. I have all cotnrols at twelve, so itīs not a extreme setting. Itīs not fun caus I like the tone. But I feel that its useless when putting a microphone in front. The CS-2 was a little more not bright, a little little clarity gone away with it, but it sounds not like a whip that much. Is that why all are saying that itīs better or more musical?
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Originally posted by Laurie
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Originally posted by Shoegazers Anonymous
Hi! I donīt wanna hijack this thred either. But I have a little problem of my own with compression. I use as a sustainer and have a MIJ CS-3 and a MIJ CS-2, I also have a old old Dynacomp and a LM-2. Now I have tested them all and found that the Dynacomp was too much effect. Also the CS-2 - wich is annoying cause all say that itīs the best. The CS-3 sounds good, but I bought it yesterday and have not tested it that much yet. Before I used a LM-2 as a sustainer and were totally happy with it. But as the idiot I am it annoyed me that it was a limiter or not a compressor, so I hunted for a CS-2 or CS-3. So wich pedal is best for use as a sustainer only without colouring the sound too much?
The best sustainer I have in my collection is a MIJ CS-3 with a dBX chip. I like it a lot as a sustainer...
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bassinyourface
Bronze Member
France
76 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 11:43:47
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To answer Dr Bob's question,it seems that the Monte Allums mods are thought for the THAT version (the photo is with a THAT in Monte Allums mod guide)
Great mods by the way - the tantalum 1uF make a huge difference (metal film caps sound too harsh for me) |
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