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visserman
Platinum Member
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 Posted - 08/18/2007 : 11:19:44
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I hope some of you do not get tired of this same old subject.
Could some of you do some tests on Jap. and Taiwan pedals while using humbuck and single-coil guitars.
So far the fist version DS-1 sounds different regardless of whatever you use, and it is noticeable, anyone will hear this!!
First version OD-1 is ever so slight, and the humbucks do help to bring out the differences more.
SD-1 Jap through humbucks sounds a lot warmer [darker really]
Perhaps we should also try this with modulation, delay and other kind of bosspedals.
I know it is a lot of work but it may change some of your thoughts about this subject.
You may want to open up the pedals to see if there are different components, but we know, from previous discussions, that those different components may still sound similar is some ways so really, need to listen.
Use a clean amp setting, and stick to just one amp for now, change guitars while keeping settings similar. |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 08/18/2007 : 19:52:32
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im convinced that its not the pedals age or place of origin that tells how it will sound, but the pedal itself. ive had 2 TW-1s side by side with the exact same serial number and have them sound different at the same settings. same goes for CS-1s,although they were about 1 year apart. im thinking its just how the pedal was put together, how and where it aged, and a million other factors, but as far as MIJ automatically sounding better, i dont necessarilly agree.
from my experience with DS-1s, i couldnt really hear much of a difference between models. i have all 6 different kinds, and i did the "bossarea" 6 in a row test . i really didnt hear too much of a difference. the biggest difference i heard was actually one of the newer Taiwan DS-1s sounded treblier than the others but it was very minimal. i tested with 5 different electrics, 2 amps and even a bass. singles, buckers and P-90s |
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ronster
Gold Member
Australia
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Posted - 08/19/2007 : 06:01:20
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WOW that's a pretty comprehensive test of the DS-1. Thanks for the review. I've always wondered that about MIJ vs MIT pedals.
I think some make a difference and others don't but like you said there can be BIG differences even with the same pedal just from manufacturing differences. |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2007 : 07:19:55
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Originally posted by StratoSphere
im convinced that its not the pedals age or place of origin that tells how it will sound, but the pedal itself. ive had 2 TW-1s side by side with the exact same serial number and have them sound different at the same settings. same goes for CS-1s,although they were about 1 year apart. im thinking its just how the pedal was put together, how and where it aged, and a million other factors, but as far as MIJ automatically sounding better, i dont necessarilly agree.
I agree on this statement.
But there is a aura of great building quality to the early MIJ pedals, and a lot of mojo that�s not on later MIT pedals. This is really subjective and involves a lot of feelings. But I love the smell of an old pedal, the scratches, the faded paint etc etc
It�s also absolutely true (for me) that most of my favourite pedals are MIT.
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 08/20/2007 : 13:30:36
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i totally agree with you Goran. a lot of the older pedals seem to have that Mojo, but i find they are all ones that never ran in to Taiwan production. like the CS-1, TW-1, OD-1 for example. i also find that most of my favorite pedals happen to be MIT as well.
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visserman
Platinum Member
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Posted - 08/20/2007 : 20:20:02
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Originally posted by StratoSphere
im convinced that its not the pedals age or place of origin that tells how it will sound, but the pedal itself. ive had 2 TW-1s side by side with the exact same serial number and have them sound different at the same settings. same goes for CS-1s,although they were about 1 year apart. im thinking its just how the pedal was put together, how and where it aged, and a million other factors, but as far as MIJ automatically sounding better, i dont necessarilly agree.
from my experience with DS-1s, i couldnt really hear much of a difference between models. i have all 6 different kinds, and i did the "bossarea" 6 in a row test. i really didnt hear too much of a difference. the biggest difference i heard was actually one of the newer Taiwan DS-1s sounded treblier than the others but it was very minimal. i tested with 5 different electrics, 2 amps and even a bass. singles, buckers and P-90s
Yep I agree that it is a million of other factors which make them sound different, so I probably have one of those DS-1's which happen to sound different compared to later models [even other Jap. models]
Interesting that you did tests with TW-1's with same serial number and them sounding different.
I also agree with the Mojo thing, so overal I think we have pretty similar views.
it would be interesting to sit in one room and listen to some of those pedals together, I am sure that would be fun, but for now may not be practical. |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2007 : 13:30:47
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yup too bad i sold one of the TW-1s off. ive also done personal tests like CE-2 vs CE-3 and PH-2 vs PH-1r as well. |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 08:53:54
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This topic started a bit about the sound wise differences between pedals used with humbuckers and single coils.
Another thing close to this is the response of different types of amplifiers to pedals.
My own experience is a little limited as I mainly use (and have used) Fender type of amps.
But one thing I noticed is that DS-1 sound better in a Marshall than in a Fender, the goes for OD-1 also I think. The more transparent overdrives sounds better in Fenders, all is of course my subjective opinions�.
But there are more types of amps, Vox, Mesa Boogie etc etc
Anyone have thoughts of this?
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 13:41:46
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| im guessing that amps with more headroom generally sound better with most effects. an amp with lots of headroom wont distort as easy and have a volume freak out as easy when you run something like a 12 step phaser through. i also find that they handle distortion better since there is less natural distortion from the amp mixed with your pedals signal. although some people like a mix. i find you have to push a Fender harder to get the same distortion level out of something like a Mesa or Marshall. ive noticed that Fender amps tend to sound cleaner than most Marshalls ive tried and this is a bonus for my taste as i like to play into perfectly clean amps and let my pedals do the talking. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 14:14:20
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yup....i can vouch for the amp/pedal mix.. as most of you know i use a old marshall superbass and a musicman combo(like a 70's fender twin)in stereo...the marshall on it's own is an awesome sounding amp with a ds1 of any overdrive in front of it,push the volume past four and it begins to break up and a ds1 or the like will send it over the edge..i still think that the speakers of type of cab can influnce the sound a lot as well....the musicman is a very clean amp which was designed by the great leo himself,rumour has it that he was going for a cross between a twin and a marshall soundwise,all i know is that the two amps together give a nice balance of sound with the marshall providing the bottom and the musicman providing the snappy top end.....the single vs humbucker thing...personally i prefer single coil pickups,i think boss dist/overdrives struggle a bit with the higher output humbuckers on the market these days...but i still have my original yamaha sg 2000s and have been known to take it out for a spanking every now and then... the od2 sounds great with this guitar...i haven't used it on a gig with the twin tube overdrive yet..might give it a go this sunday.....
stratosphere... i like the " volume freakout" couldn't of put it better myself bro'..... ...nothing worse than at the start of a gig than stepping on a booster pedal and having a 'johnny b goode..back to the future' moment..... ..... |
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visserman
Platinum Member
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 10:32:00
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What Strato mentioned about headroom is very true, also Goran mentioned the transparency issue with overdrives.
Most of this is all logical and common sense, I have just a few more observations on this subject:
I find that EQ pedals [both graphic as well as parametric] and Enhancers can do wonders for your sound when you play through a relatively small amp[ or go straight to the P.A or recording console]. Using those devices on bigger amps they still work, but very often the amp already sounds great without their support -very often they just seem to be extra baggage which get in the way of your soundsignal-.
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Jap/Taiwan through Sinlge and Humbuck guitars.
