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svengali
Bronze Member
Australia
111 Posts |
 Posted - 08/23/2008 : 01:58:59
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hello
i have two boss od-1's
1. serial number 8200 raytheon 14 pin od-1b
2 serial number 9200 jrc 8 pin
and arriving this week hopefully ( ebay purchase )
3. serial number 8700 nec 14 pin. very clean, with box and manual
i've been waiting to do this comparison for a while, and in about i week, i can.
i could now write a good comparison between the two pedals i currently have.
these two sound , i believe, distinctly different.
However, i will wait until i get the third.
my report will include pictures (i have to work out how to post pictures ..any hints would be welcome)
i look forward to doing the review.
svengali. |
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Right Foot Boss
Gold Member
USA
881 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2008 : 02:18:26
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| Wow two 14 pin OD-1s. You are one lucky guy. |
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2008 : 02:40:46
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| i've never had the pleasure of hearing a 14 pin in person. oddly enough i've heard 3 diff op amp 8 pin that all sounded distinctly different. |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2008 : 07:34:10
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Originally posted by zentropa
i've never had the pleasure of hearing a 14 pin in person. oddly enough i've heard 3 diff op amp 8 pin that all sounded distinctly different.
Hi guys
Same here zentropa, my OD-1's are all the later 8 PIN rev E's.
Regards Dr. Bob. |
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svengali
Bronze Member
Australia
111 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2008 : 05:45:54
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hello again.
i have received the new pedal, and i spent an hour or two torturing the neighbours.
Get an amp that runs two or four el34's.
change em over for some chinese kt66's.
listen to the difference.
that difference is what the od 1 pedal is.
the overdrive in my opinion almost perfectly emulates a sizzling kt66.
think...early angus young...cream.
the od 1 pedal are the kennedys of the od pedal world.
id say the winsdors, but they arent cool enough.
the kennedys are about power and influence and money.
the kennedys are also quite cool,(except for the river car accident thing)
the od 1 is powerful, and you'll also need uh.. a bit of money to buy one.
the 8 pin chip od serial number 9200 that i have has a jrc4558d in it.
it sounds really good actually, lots of mids...articulate highs..very pleasing. Turns your guitar into a streetfighter.
it does sound just like you've turned your marshall up...way up.
not very coloured, just sweet natural overdrive.
at bedroom levels, this pedal cant be beaten at what it does.
i cant help but think most of the reviews ive read about that version were describing testing at low volumes levels.
However, if you play lots of loud live music ( i do ) the 14 pin version will, i believe, make you happier.
As you turn a marshall up, it gets bitier, more treble.
the 14 pin versions, both of them, have a lot more body than the 8 pin version, at any volume level.
Turn the amp up, and the body remains, and more treble is added.
Perfect.
I made a 69 plexi, using mercury mag transfomers.
it is stupidly loud.
far far too loud for any venue..anywhere.
the idea ive found is to use 1x 15 inch speaker, and an od 1 pedal.
thats the only way i can get the tone i want.
anyway, ive tested the pedals at volume, and the 14 pin versions win, hands down.
they have a LOT more body.
to explain it in another way, if you record a line of guitar, then overdub exactly the same line on another track, and then sit there clicking one track off and on, thats like the difference between the 8 pin and the 14 pin.
twice the body.
As for the differences between the 14 pinners themselves, nec and raytheon, there is one.
the nec i found to be..crunchier..the raytheon definately had a more nasal sound...more mids.
this does mean that the nec was more defined.
but both were , to me, apart from that, very similar.
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2008 : 08:01:17
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it's interesting how op amps affect tone... it's always in such a subtle manner, but usually results in articulation and dynamics changes that can't be duplicated with a different chip.
i've always found there's too much emphasis put on op amps, but at the same time there's certain types of sounds i wouldn't be able to imagine in any other way.
it's funny when it comes to mods though... most of the famous modders put relatively small importance on the op amp and put paramount importance on the clipping diodes... and i agree with em 99% on this, but there's definitely characteristic changes that pop up.
one of my favorite OD-1's i've heard had a JRC4558DD op amp. it had a lot more dirt to it and worked amazingly well with all amp types and at all volumes. however, it had significantly less bite than an OD-1 w/ a JRC4558D op amp. ended up keeping the latter pedal since i needed the bite from it.
i dunno, i'm tired and just kinda rambling
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svengali
Bronze Member
Australia
111 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2008 : 09:12:12
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yes. i make amps..blueprint amps..etc and ive found there are so many things that will change tone.
if i implied that it was solely the chips that make the difference, i didnt mean to.
caps for instance. plenty of those in a pedal.different batches, different brands= different tone.
also, in the above comparisons it might be worthwhile considering capacitance in wiring.
The boards that the components are placed on in the od 1b (raytheon 14 pin) are fundamentally different in that the wire trace is a big fat trail of solder. ( see old pedals before serial number 8300 )
the wire trace in later boards is much thinner.
this will change capacitance values everywhere, to a degree.
this will make things sound different.
anyway look, after i wrote the above comparison, i digressed a little, and i now have to say a couple of things about safety.
Do not just change output tubes over. they need to be biased ( if you dont do this the output tubes will run away on you and turn cherry and then burn right up)
Some amps wont even allow the bias change..(you may have to change bias range resistors)
dont put el34's in a kt66 amp. the amp wont take it. it needs more than biasing.
you can, with biasing, put kt66 where el34 was.
be careful, those voltages arent like a pedals voltage ie, you can die, rather easily.
this is outside scope of this topic, and website.
email me if you have questions regarding amps.
regards
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Shoegazers Anonymous
Silver Member
Sweden
257 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2008 : 12:21:37
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| My OD-1 says 0500 as serialnumber, and the decoder says april 81. Does anyone know wich one I have, 8 or 14? |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2008 : 12:22:06
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Hi zentropa & guys
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i dunno, i'm tired and just kinda rambling
Rambling can be good too. 
I/we have come to respect your ramblings Zen.
Regards Dr. Bob |
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2008 : 12:31:06
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Shoegazers:
that's an 8 pin. but you can verify it by opening it up and looking at the op amp. |
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visserman
Platinum Member
1072 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2008 : 12:37:10
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Dear Svengali,
Although I will not disbelieve your observations, I think if you were to test about 10 OD-1's and all of the same version as well, they probably will all end up sounding very different.
We have discussed here often why that is the case.
I think the difference what you have found about the 14 pin and the other version can be heard at low levels at well. Similar to tests with the DS-1 [silver screw versus later versions] Again you get the fuller body sound on the older pedals. But let us not carried away too much:
Once you have an OD-1 it will sound good, regardless what version you have and what kind of amp or volume you play it through. |
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Shoegazers Anonymous
Silver Member
Sweden
257 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2008 : 12:48:33
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Originally posted by visserman
Dear Svengali,
Once you have an OD-1 it will sound good, regardless what version you have and what kind of amp or volume you play it through.
Thanks, that stilled my GAS a little.  |
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svengali
Bronze Member
Australia
111 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 01:31:50
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visserman, the old 14 versions at lower volumes sound..a bit muffled actually, compared to the 8 pin.
in regards to older pedals sounding fuller, the only other pedal i use onstage is a ds1, made in taiwan.
i have a Made in japan one, but it compresses too much.
they both have the same chip, a toshiba from memory.
interestingly here, the taiwanese one has different brand caps.
my test was simply that, a test.
i was as objective as possible.
i have found very little info on these older pedals and thus i did the comparison.
regards
svengali
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2008 : 08:05:56
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As some of you write above many things in a pedal make it sound different even if the marked values of the components are the same. So to give a fair amount of �scientific� results we need to examine maybe 20 pedals with 14 pin chips with 20 pedals with 8 pins. Well, this is not going to happen�. So we have to take what we get and hope that the results point in the right direction.
One of my friends has a 14-pin OD-1, I have tested it many times and really like the sound of it, but no conclusions as I�ve used it on an amp that I have never used my own 8-pin OD-1 on.
A couple of months ago I was at his house and I had my own OD-1 with me, some minutes before a jam was starting I tested them side by side. The 14 pin one had a fuller sound and the 8-pin had more bite/less bass was my conclusion, then the jam started. I used both of the OD-1�s during the jam and what I remember is that the 8-pin cut through better (this is very subjective as I didn�t have the time to put the volumes and drive exactly the same). In a band situation it�s much harder, nearly impossible, to hear any significant differences.
So my conclusion is that you shouldn�t pay a lot of extra money for a 14-pin version, the 8-pin is good enough and usually much cheaper and easier to get.
Oh, my friend do not sell his OD-1 to me 
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visserman
Platinum Member
1072 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2008 : 10:28:04
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Originally posted by Shoegazers Anonymous
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Originally posted by visserman
Dear Svengali,
Once you have an OD-1 it will sound good, regardless what version you have and what kind of amp or volume you play it through.
Thanks, that stilled my GAS a little.
Yes you need to be realistic about the whole thing.
Buy the pedal you want but no need to check out many versions of similar pedal unless you can afford it and are interested in it for its own sake.
Goran summed it all up very nicely and I think many of us will agree here with what he said.
It also happens at times that an older pedal sounds "worse" than its newer version.
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svengali
Bronze Member
Australia
111 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2008 : 01:23:45
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interesting topic.
of course the data ive provided is basically useless, as its unproven or seconded, however, as thousands of these pedals were made surely someone has two two pedals and can also do a comparison.
If thats what interests people.
i found a site in japan, written in japanese, thats sells these old 14 pin and 8 pin ink stamped hard to get od 1 pedals, i counted maybe..20 of em?
lots of good pictures.
the page gets translated, and is good fun reading in itself.
id post the link here, but am unsure if thats a good idea.
email me and ill send you the link.
Very cool site.
ive decided that the new pedal, the nec 14 pin, is my favorite.
i did have trouble handling it at first, as i despise new looking pedals.
i felt like some kind of sex offender.
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