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pawnshop_trash
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 Posted - 03/27/2008 : 23:03:10
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I think most recent advancements in sound design technology (modeling, digital recording, etc.) tend to be advancements in convenience or in economic viability. some examples, personally speaking:
* one day I'd want a small project studio in my basement, to record voice, guitar, bass, and real drums. I would be recording a lot of distorted electric guitar, so I'd favor a 16-track tape recorder. however, it's much more likely that I'd end up with a ProTools/Mac G5 system (easy to edit, no need to buy tape) somewhere down the line.
* I really want a tube-powered Ampeg SVT with matching 8x10 cab, but unless I start taking steroids (and my wallet follows suit), there's no way I can afford such a stack and also get it up/down my basement stairs with any regularity. (when I was younger, I lived in a second-floor apartment and regularly loaded a Marshall half-stack up and down a flight of stairs to band practice, but now I'm too old for that sh!t.) thus, a SansAmp Bass Driver DI will have to do.
* digital modeling pedals are great for DI recording at reasonable volume levels, but the idea of a digitally-powered dirt box (Boss FZ-5, your ears should be burning) is just conceptually flawed. it's a bit like using a bazooka as a flyswatter, plus it doesn't sound as good.
* finally, I agree with Zentropa about having too many options. how is it that I can't get a BF-3 to achieve my two favorite BF-2 sounds? and any pedal with a thick manual (Boss PH-3, your ears should be burning) kind of defeats the advantage of a pedal vs. a rack effect (mainly, simplicity and ease of use). |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 01:28:13
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No matter what recording technologies are out there, I feel that I will never have the band I want until there is the technology for me to clone several of me so my clones can play all the other instruments, and we'll all be on the same musical page in regards to vision and direction.... |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 01:49:14
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Originally posted by jack
No matter what recording technologies are out there, I feel that I will never have the band I want until there is the technology for me to clone several of me so my clones can play all the other instruments, and we'll all be on the same musical page in regards to vision and direction....
I used to do sound for a lead guitarist just like that...  |
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 02:47:55
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I think most recent advancements in sound design technology (modeling, digital recording, etc.) tend to be advancements in convenience or in economic viability. some examples, personally speaking
i agree definitely, but alas, that is where some of the problems lie... the real upgrades aren't in the one area that matters most... sound quality :)
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No matter what recording technologies are out there, I feel that I will never have the band I want until there is the technology for me to clone several of me so my clones can play all the other instruments, and we'll all be on the same musical page in regards to vision and direction...
hehe. there's plenty of bands out there like that where the singer/songwriter writes every part and plays every part on the recordings and the other band members are basically only there for gigs. the technology is already there to make the clones, not sure if they'll be able to play though :) |
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pawnshop_trash
Gold Member
USA
603 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2008 : 03:02:17
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Originally posted by zentropa
i agree definitely, but alas, that is where some of the problems lie... the real upgrades aren't in the one area that matters most... sound quality :)
yes, that's it exactly!  |
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Heart and Soul
Silver Member
USA
369 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 05:21:17
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So yeah, i am all for the advancement of sound design/modeling and generally computer music and so on...as far as zentropa goes with the "a vs. b" stuff...i think most of it is up to preference and situation...i mean yeah i'd use a fender tube amp if i could afford one but with my money situation like it is i'd much rather just buy pedals [or food] and let my computer do the work...now i might be a little biased cause i've been recording direct to mini-disc/computer for years but i think in the end, personally, the end justifies the means...i know alot of guys who swear by their PODs or something like that, and it's not because it's boutique or even because it sounds boutique, its because it helps people get the sound in their head out into reality...and i think if companies can bring out products that are affordable and help people get their ideas down, so be it...of course tube amps and million dollar overdrives would be nice, but since i can't have that, i'll just make noise with my computer and be just as happy...i have a real problem with those people who think "anything digital is junk" or stuff like that, to me it just proves how close minded and conceptually limited they are as for as sound and music is concerned...alot of people base their opinions of one thing on how it sounds in comparison to something that is not even relevant and then dismiss it as bollocks cause they can't take anything at face value...that's lame...
so all that to say if you like tube amps cool, if you like computers [like i do], that should be cool too...i mean hey, if someone is making music with pure intentions than i doubt the gear they have with make a difference...
i doubt much of this made sense...oh well... |
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 07:02:27
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heh,
if you read my posts you'll notice that i definitely think there's a place for modelers etc. when it comes to compactness, versatility, budget, and recording situations.
the main thing i was trying to drive forth is that you can get a used tube amp for about the same price as some of the upper solid state amps (especially the upper end modeling amps) and that people often turn a blind eye to the search because they don't think it's budget conscious.
i don't usually buy boutique gear as i've never found it sounds substantially better by enough of a margin to justify even considering buying it. however, a $450 70's twin reverb is right up my ally. |
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Heart and Soul
Silver Member
USA
369 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2008 : 01:44:28
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Originally posted by zentropa
heh,
if you read my posts you'll notice that i definitely think there's a place for modelers etc. when it comes to compactness, versatility, budget, and recording situations.
the main thing i was trying to drive forth is that you can get a used tube amp for about the same price as some of the upper solid state amps (especially the upper end modeling amps) and that people often turn a blind eye to the search because they don't think it's budget conscious.
i don't usually buy boutique gear as i've never found it sounds substantially better by enough of a margin to justify even considering buying it. however, a $450 70's twin reverb is right up my ally.
well see, i was so sure this was about comparison of sound, not so much the price...hell i'll take a twin for $450...the whole thing about saying modelers and computers will never sound as good as the originals is where i'd have to disagree...because that's all entirely arbitrary in my opinion...
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2008 : 02:01:18
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Originally posted by Heart and Soul
...because that's all entirely arbitrary in my opinion...
Hear hear.
I'd propose that at the end of the day, there are no absolutes.
"I may not know art, but I know what I like". Everything else is just some other person's opinion.
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2008 : 03:42:44
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i was so sure this was about comparison of sound, not so much the price...hell i'll take a twin for $450...the whole thing about saying modelers and computers will never sound as good as the originals is where i'd have to disagree...because that's all entirely arbitrary in my opinion...
hehe, if you read my rants a lot of them are about price vs. quality vs. availability.
i agree you can't prove that a modeler or authentic vintage device has a BETTER sound, but it is fairly absolute that many modelers may approximate what they are attempting, but they cannot replicate what they are attempting to model.
now, that said approximation may in fact sound better than the original, but it does not sound the same as the original. i don't consider the difference in actual sound characteristics to be all that arbitrary. i consider which one you like better to be more arbitrary.
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Heart and Soul
Silver Member
USA
369 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2008 : 23:45:11
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i think for me the real irony behind this whole thread is that you keep saying i don't "read" your posts but i mean, my initial statement was wondering if you were bashing "sound design" technology...sound design effects and modelers are two very different things...i attribute sound design as pertaining to digital editing and effects and advancing sound processing power...modeling amps/cabinets are what you're talking about...
this may explain to you why i disagreed with most of your ideas...i mean yeah i think we can all agree that too many new players spend too much on lame modeling amps or whatnot and that sure they may not sound exactly like the original but i doubt they can tell...or they may be like me and just never owned any really lush vintage gear...either or...i don't know whether this clears anything up but it just seemed weird that it was getting kind of abstract around here...
but on another note, digital>analog... |
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i was about to attck zentropa for seemingly bashin
