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pawnshop_trash
Gold Member
USA
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 Posted - 10/23/2008 : 20:49:04
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hello, I'm wondering how to achieve a 100% wet reverse reverb sound (think Kevin Shields/My Bloody Valentine), but in a pedal (Mr. Shields used a rackmount Yamaha system).
it does not look like the Boss RV series can do reverse reverb, but what about in conjunction with a DD-7? are there any other Boss products (RV-1000 can do 'reverse gate', not sure about RV-70) that might qualify, perhaps in conjunction with a remote footswitch?
finally, the recent Digitech RV-7 (part of the Livewire series) looks like it can do a reverse reverb, but is a 100% wet mix (e.g., 0% direct signal) possible? it is not reviewed at Harmony-Central.com yet; any suggestions will be greatly appreciated! |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2008 : 21:15:31
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| What about the Digitech Digiverb? I know that has a reverse reverb, don't know how wet it gets though...Then theres the PDS series of Digitech pedals, I believe the reverb unit was call the PedalVerb or something like that, and it had a reverse reverb, but once again, don't know how it is... |
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Heart and Soul
Silver Member
USA
369 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2008 : 02:02:43
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i have the digiverb and yeah it has the reverse setting and i haven't used it in a bit but i'm pretty sure it goes 100% wet...just make sure to put a dist. after it or crank your amp when it is at 100%...and i mean it's not the best quality but i got mine pretty cheap so i'd say it's worth a try...
you do have a jazzmaster right?...haha... |
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williamh
Bronze Member
USA
53 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2008 : 05:10:21
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| I have a digiverb which I use for reverse reverb, but I'm not sure if it does 100 percent wet. I'll check it out tomorrow. Digitech just released a new line of pedals called the hardwire series. Theres a reverb pedal in the line that does reverse reverb, and I know for a fact it ONLY does 100 percent wet. However, to be honest, for the my bloody valentine sounds you still want the dry signal to be in there. 100 percent doesn't quite sound the same. The only issue with the digiverb is that once you get up around 3 quarters of the way on mix, there's a horrible volume drop. |
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pawnshop_trash
Gold Member
USA
603 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2008 : 05:35:59
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thanks for the replies! I goofed in my initial post -- the Digitech RV-7 is part of the "Hardwire" series that williamh alluded to, not the "livewire" series. it seems to be between that pedal and the earlier digiverb... hopefully my local big box guitar cinder will have both to try out sometime.
regarding MBV, alas I do not have a Jazzmaster (or a Jaguar, like Bilinda); other than Shields' whammy bar mods, what other features does the Jazzmaster have that make it essential for MBV-style washes? and regarding 100% wet, I was thinking of a 2-amp setup, one with 100% wet reverse reverb and the other without, though a blend pot for wet/dry mix sure would be nice (or I could use the Boss LS-2, I guess).... |
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Heart and Soul
Silver Member
USA
369 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2008 : 23:54:13
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Originally posted by pawnshop_trash
thanks for the replies! I goofed in my initial post -- the Digitech RV-7 is part of the "Hardwire" series that williamh alluded to, not the "livewire" series. it seems to be between that pedal and the earlier digiverb... hopefully my local big box guitar cinder will have both to try out sometime.
regarding MBV, alas I do not have a Jazzmaster (or a Jaguar, like Bilinda); other than Shields' whammy bar mods, what other features does the Jazzmaster have that make it essential for MBV-style washes? and regarding 100% wet, I was thinking of a 2-amp setup, one with 100% wet reverse reverb and the other without, though a blend pot for wet/dry mix sure would be nice (or I could use the Boss LS-2, I guess)....
oh man, this is such a universal question...i gave up on it a long time ago but i remember getting decent results just using like od>reverb>dist or od with the amp cranked and strumming along with the whammy on my strat...which in truth wasn't very close but i kinda liked it...
i think the jazzmaster/jaguar thing has to do with the floating trem and the weak pickups...otherwise i really couldn't tell you...
and then you have to account for shields' weird open tunings, that actually has a lot to do with how suspended everything sounds...
wish i could help more man, i remember someone on here knew a bunch on it but i don't remember where it is in the forum...unless i'm trippin... |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2008 : 14:18:53
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Originally posted by Heart and Soul
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Originally posted by pawnshop_trash
thanks for the replies! I goofed in my initial post -- the Digitech RV-7 is part of the "Hardwire" series that williamh alluded to, not the "livewire" series. it seems to be between that pedal and the earlier digiverb... hopefully my local big box guitar cinder will have both to try out sometime.
regarding MBV, alas I do not have a Jazzmaster (or a Jaguar, like Bilinda); other than Shields' whammy bar mods, what other features does the Jazzmaster have that make it essential for MBV-style washes? and regarding 100% wet, I was thinking of a 2-amp setup, one with 100% wet reverse reverb and the other without, though a blend pot for wet/dry mix sure would be nice (or I could use the Boss LS-2, I guess)....
oh man, this is such a universal question...i gave up on it a long time ago but i remember getting decent results just using like od>reverb>dist or od with the amp cranked and strumming along with the whammy on my strat...which in truth wasn't very close but i kinda liked it...
i think the jazzmaster/jaguar thing has to do with the floating trem and the weak pickups...otherwise i really couldn't tell you...
and then you have to account for shields' weird open tunings, that actually has a lot to do with how suspended everything sounds...
wish i could help more man, i remember someone on here knew a bunch on it but i don't remember where it is in the forum...unless i'm trippin...
i think it was Dingus who was into kevin shields sound and was up to speed on a lot of his gear...and your right it was a long time back i think it was a joke post about a japanese composer who was supposed to havs some ledgendary boss pedal and it spawned into a disscussion about reverse reverb and kevin shields....i'm not a big fan of one wet and one dry amp setups....i think either get two amps and split the signal with a true stereo effect to each amp or what i'm trying to get together at the moment is mono 'dry' in the middle and wet(stereo) either side coming out of a couple of 1x12's.... |
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pawnshop_trash
Gold Member
USA
603 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2008 : 05:35:04
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thanks again! I remember an earlier thread here that careened toward MBV at some point, as well as a harmony-central thread with posts apparently from MBV's tech. I didn't know that Shields used different tunings, but since his creative muse seems to be only slightly less of a perfectionist than Axl Rose, it doesn't surprise me. I wish I could have seen some of the recent MBV reunion shows....
most of my musical points of reference derive from heavy metal and punk rock, but MBV-esque reverse reverb washes (basically, making a guitar sound like a synth) has become more appealing to me, from a compositional standpoint. thus, I'm really not looking to 'clone' the MBV sound (although it would be pretty cool to be able to cover "only shallow" at the drop of a hat). I've had loveless for many years, but only recently was seduced by the guitar playing, and the revelation that it's a great fucking record (in every sense of the word).... |
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PaulH
Gold Member
535 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2008 : 10:25:21
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If you really want that sound sooo much then just take the plunge and buy the same Yamaha rackmount.
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Heart and Soul
Silver Member
USA
369 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2008 : 20:11:16
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Originally posted by PaulH
If you really want that sound sooo much then just take the plunge and buy the same Yamaha rackmount.
what he said. |
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pawnshop_trash
Gold Member
USA
603 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2008 : 20:50:10
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| thanks! if I was looking to clone that sound, then I would... but as the title of this thread implies, I was wondering if there was an approximation in a (hopefully less expensive) pedal.... |
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tony
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
142 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2008 : 02:57:19
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I own the Hardwire reverb and can confirm it does a really nice 100% wet reverse reverb. All the reverbs on it are 24 bit, licensed from Lexicon and sound really excellent. The plate, room and hall in particular are gorgeous.
They're not that expensive - in the UK, the Hardwire actually worked out cheaper than an RV 5 which is incredible for a USA made pedal. |
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pawnshop_trash
Gold Member
USA
603 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2008 : 15:17:12
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| thanks for the RV-7 review, Tony! it sounds like that pedal might be what I'm looking for.... |
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Dingus
Silver Member
USA
472 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2008 : 22:32:57
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I have comments for this. Will post later tonight or tomorrow. Want to make sure I give a thorough answer.
The quick response however is:
The best stompbox pedal I've used for Reverse Reverb is the Yahama MagicStomp (which has an amazing set of features if you have never used one, all pretty programmable via software). I do however own a Yamaha SPX-90, and an Alesis Midiverb II. Kevin Shield's old guitar tech said he used the Midiverb II 90% of the time he was using Reverse Reverb live. I personally like the sound of the SPX-90's Reverse Reverb better, and the sound on the MagicStomp version is very similar. Perhaps without quite as many parameters to configure.
I'll get back to this in more detail later.
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DarrinPA
Silver Member
USA
221 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2008 : 23:17:37
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If you want a really cheep device to have 100% reverse reverb than keep an eye out for a Korg DVR-1000. I got mine for $10, I've seen somebody else mention they bought one for $8, $20, ect... It's a rack unit that most people don't know how to use. Appearently a few knobs and buttons can be confusing so people sell these old racks for super cheap but nobody wants them.
There are 2 on eBay right now. the first for $70 and no bids. The second for $25 and no bids.
Don't confuse it with the DRV-3000, although it is pretty cool considering you get a remote control. |
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tony
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
142 Posts |
Posted - 10/29/2008 : 20:29:42
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Originally posted by pawnshop_trash
thanks for the RV-7 review, Tony! it sounds like that pedal might be what I'm looking for....
Just a FYI, there is no dry signal present or mix option to introduce it at all on the reverse setting. Turning the "level" down just reduces the output of the effect. Makes total sense to me but might not be to everyone's taste.
Also, some people have complained about the decay time. The maximum available is about four seconds, which is a fair amount, but obviously it won't get you into "eternal cave inside a dead rock floating in space" territory. Guess the Holiest Grail is best for that sort of thing. What it excels it is eminently useable, dare I say, professional sounding reverbs.
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