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midibuddy
Silver Member
Ecuador
285 Posts |
 Posted - 04/26/2006 : 08:15:41
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Well this is an update on my current situation with the DS-1... after today's rehearsal, it finally found a place in my pedalboard. I'll use it as my last distortion pedal, so my setup will go as follows:
CS3 ==> SD1 ==> OD3 ==> DS1 ==>CH1 ==>DD3 ==>TU2 ==> Amp
I'll use the SD1 (an almost clean boost) or the compressor to boost the DS1 for leads... I must crank the level up on the DS1 to match the levels of the overdrives at half... but it sounds good.
I use it for "Elevation", it sounds very close to The Edge's sound for the dirty parts... for the other parts, combination of the SD1 and the CS3 and of course the DD3 give me the sound I want.
It's not my main distortion but a different "flavor" than the OD3 and the SD1 gave me before...
Now I just need a big 2x12" combo... and some dimarzio pickups for my guitar... and an Equalizer... and a Phaser and... and ... and... 
Oh my gosh does it ever stops? The Pedal-itus? |
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Earthrug
Copper Member
USA
17 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2006 : 14:45:45
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| Strange...I have never had any problems matching the volume level of my Boss pedals to the clean of any of my amps. This is at band volumes using anything from a 60watt-120watt tube amps with 2x12 cab. You people must be playing really loud. |
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midibuddy
Silver Member
Ecuador
285 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2006 : 16:14:50
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We're not talking about matching the amp's overdrive volume.
We're talking about setting pedals to unity gain (That all the overdrives and distortions sound at the same volume).
Do you have a DS-1? Does it "speaks" at the same level than your overdrives? |
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midibuddy
Silver Member
Ecuador
285 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2006 : 16:18:03
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 ohh I read your post well, and you specified "clean" volume...
The problem only is with the DS-1 Distortion. My 2 overdrives will match the clean volume efortlessly.
Cheers! |
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Earthrug
Copper Member
USA
17 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2006 : 17:01:29
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| Yes I use a DS-1(mij). I also use a FZ-2 and a OD-2(mij). I can get all 3 pedals to be all the same volume or dif volume compared to each other. I can also make them louder than or not louder than my amps overall clean/semi clean volume. I havent tried getting the pedals to be louder than my amp "wide open" becuase I have never needed it that loud. My main rig is a 90' Rg770 and a Sovtek MIG60. I run the amp into a 2x12 loaded with celestion speakers. I usually have my pedals set up like this :Guitar>cs-3>ft-2>FZ-2>DS-1>OD-2>bf-2>AMP. I have my amp set so that when I have my guitars volume on full and pick med-hard I get a little bit of breakup and then I back off the volume a bit from full. I never run all 3 gain pedals on at once, but will sometimes kick the DS-1 into the OD-2 for a bit of variation. If I need more volume for say a solo to jump out I usually just turn my guitars volume up full. Of course there is def' varietion in tis set-up. I sometimes add a cry baby in the mix and us it as a wah/nothc filter/treble boost. I also on occasion set up the cs-3 to control the overall volume when its on. That way when I turn it off I get a volume boost. The FZ-2 also has a sweet Boost feature that I sometimes employ. Hope this helps..... |
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midibuddy
Silver Member
Ecuador
285 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2006 : 18:24:35
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Thanks for your help...
How does the DS-1 sounds into the OD-2 ?
I have my DS-1 as the last distortion, so I ocasionally boost it with the SD-1, I tried using the DS-1 to boost the overdrives (before them) but I didn't like the result...
I'm just using a CrateGX120 (120w solid state combo) , and I run it clean. Maybe the fact that you have a tube amp helps the pedals to sound louder..
How will all you guys recommend using the DS-1 and overdrive combination?
Boost the ODs with the Distortion?
Boost the DS1 with the ODs ?
Thanks a lot |
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Earthrug
Copper Member
USA
17 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2006 : 21:29:36
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| When I kick the DS-1 into the Turbo OD it usualy ends up sounding a bit compressed with that out of control kinda tone that will feedback if I stop playing. Not good for rythm but works great for solo's or for changing the color/ dynamics of an instrumental piece/ jam. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 04/27/2006 : 00:56:05
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Hi midibuddy... glad to hear your back on track with your ds1 i use a similar setup to earthrug i have my od2 after my distortion/fuzz i use the ds1 mostly as a 'crunch' sound,the fuzz for heavier stuff,...i have gone back to using my passive guitars,i'm getting some great sounds out of them...less issues with volume... as for the 'pedal-itus' i drove over 80 miles round trip to buy a bf2 last night...!!! and i have a ph2 on the way off ebay,i now have 11 boss pedals on my board,a cry baby and a tu12....i have found as well with the strat and tele i don't have to max out the volume on the pedals anymore.... |
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lightburst
Silver Member
Germany
158 Posts |
Posted - 04/27/2006 : 13:26:18
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quote:
Originally posted by midibuddy
How does the DS-1 sounds into the OD-2 ?
I have my DS-1 as the last distortion, so I ocasionally boost it with the SD-1, I tried using the DS-1 to boost the overdrives (before them) but I didn't like the result...
I'm just using a CrateGX120 (120w solid state combo) , and I run it clean. Maybe the fact that you have a tube amp helps the pedals to sound louder..
How will all you guys recommend using the DS-1 and overdrive combination?
Boost the ODs with the Distortion?
Boost the DS1 with the ODs ?
Thanks a lot
I use distortions after overdrives. For me there are two ways to get great sounds:
First I set the od for a slightly overdriven sound and the dist for a medium leadsound. If I need more drive I kick in the od too.
But lately I discovered another way: the settings for the distortion are quite low like a hard driven tube amp just at breaking up. If I get off for soloing I add the overdrive with a higher setting. It´s like the old fashoined way with an tube amp and an overdive. Amazing sound!
But the distortion always comes after the overdrive in my fx chain  |
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midibuddy
Silver Member
Ecuador
285 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2006 : 09:54:31
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UPDATE UPDATE !!
I just changed the order of my distortions and it's working very well!
Now my effects chain go as follows:
Guitar==> CS3==> DS1==> SD1==> OD3==> CH1==> DD3==> TU2
The DS1 adds that "something extra" that both overdrive pedals are missing... some grit, some dirt to the sound... I found that the ODs balance the sound of the Distortion very well.. the Distortion has a bit of a "scooped" sound, and since both ODs have a bit of a mid boost, they suit it very well.
In my setup, it's working well, gotta try it on a rehearsal and live situation, but I think it'll work very well...
The DS1 sounded very shrill, scooped, harsh and "digital sounding" on its own (alone)... but now that I have talked to some guys in my city, it seems it's my amp to blame ( Crate GX120 solid-state combo).
opinions guys?
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2006 : 19:45:25
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| Hi midibuddy.... i'm getting some great crunch sounds out of my ds1 as well these days,i use it the same way as you ..before the overdrive,the sound i'm getting with my fz3 into the od2 keeps bringing a smile to my face especally with a bit of delay...but i think... and i think you have come to realise,is the guitar and amp play a major part in the overall sound your going for,i was using the drummers marshall mg100fx on a few smaller gigs but the rest of the band told me it sounded a bit'plastic' and 'cold',its not a bad amp...but the sound i want to get transistorised amps just don't work.. i have gone back to using my old marshall jmp superbass(great guitar amp..!!) amd a musicman hd 130 which is a hybrid(tranny preamp,valve power amp)i keep the preamp volume down and the poweramp up...i run them in stereo off the ch1 which is last in my chain,i think this is the reason i've started to use the ds1 again it sounds great if you keep the distortion down and the volume up..the two valve amps especially the marshall love it...so if your asking for my vote try to get a valve amp like an old marshall,hiwatt etc with a good clean sound,the musicman imho is good amp for effect pedals and can be got quite cheap...or maybe a silverface twin...i don't have much experience with the newer amps like boogie etc i think they are more 'plug in and play' but for gigging i love the options the older amps and the pedals give me... |
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midibuddy
Silver Member
Ecuador
285 Posts |
Posted - 08/16/2006 : 17:05:07
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Still using the following chain of effects:
Guitar==> CS3==> DS1==> SD1==> OD3==> CH1==> DD3==> TU2
But now on a Peavey Supreme head and a 2x12" with Eminence Legend... sounds great!!
Maybe reading this thread would help the guy that is asking about using 2 overdrives/distortions.
** Soft Sound**
The SD-1 alone for rythm
DS-1==> SD-1 for leads
** Hard Sound **
DS-1==> SD-1 for rythm
DS-1==> OD-3 for leads
I might turn on the CS-3 for some sounds...
The DS-1 is never used on alone...
Combining the DS1 and one overdrive, and lowering the guitar volume works very well for soft sounds without losing sustain, or harmonics...
I hope this helps...
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midibuddy
Silver Member
Ecuador
285 Posts |
Posted - 08/17/2006 : 18:24:12
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Do you find useful putting the DS-1 before your ODs like Franzoni and I do?
I still think that the DS-1 has low level on its own.. but on the amp I'm using right now sounds much fuller and with lots of more bass than my previous amp...
Any comments? |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2006 : 07:26:54
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I think DS-1 sounds much better with a tube amp, the tubes removes some of the ”nasty” shrillness that DS-1 has, I don´t know how…
I have never tried post 1994 DS-1 so I´m talking about the original design here.
I have no problems with low level, but of course for example BD-2 has a lot more of that.
Oh, I like DS-1 a lot by the way, always with me alongside BD-2 when I´m playing.
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steviemgallacher
Copper Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/04/2006 : 21:35:32
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Hi
this is my 1st post, and as the ds-1 is my fav pedal, thought i should post here.
i actually have aquired 4 DS-1 pedals over the last few years, the first was a standard Tai model bought about 5 years ago. and it's been on the pedal board ever since. recently i've picked up a few variations on this;
An original Japanese version from the 80's
My original Tai Version, now modded (pedal doc's squeeling mod)
a 2nd Tai version, also modded (pedal doc's valvesound mod)
a Keeley DS-1 Ultra.
of them all i think the Jap model sounds best, and the Keeley is a close second. the 'squeeling' mod has a little less gain, but seems to have solved the volume reduction problem, and can actually be used to boost the signal by quite a lot.
at the moment the Keeley is on my pedal board, along with a moded TS-9.
Stevie |
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