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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
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 Posted - 03/31/2009 : 17:19:22
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Don't forget you were probably listening to it from a different (the audiences) perspective.
And that in itself, would have made a big difference to the perceived tone.
Ever really listened to someone else play your guitar & gear?
And how much different it sounded? 
Regards Dr. Bob 
Hi Doc...apart from the amp it was all his own stuff(guitar and pedalboard)..i've never owned a tubescreamer but i was impressed with the tone of the TS9 DX....defo could hear some SRV type tone out of it...my mate also plays a strat so that had probably something to do with it as well.................
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 04/01/2009 : 08:31:36
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mindtwist:
people have pretty much summed up a lot of things as to why that doesn't work.
another thing i've noticed is that due to the sd-1's bleed and low input impedance, its tone really gets affected by pedal order and it can often clash with other pedals.
imo, you are best off going for an EQ or compressor (read as: something nearly transparent) for boost. |
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mindtwist07
Copper Member
Philippines
24 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2009 : 16:44:52
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Originally posted by zentropa
mindtwist:
people have pretty much summed up a lot of things as to why that doesn't work.
another thing i've noticed is that due to the sd-1's bleed and low input impedance, its tone really gets affected by pedal order and it can often clash with other pedals.
imo, you are best off going for an EQ or compressor (read as: something nearly transparent) for boost.
and find a good sounding amp and pickups for a much better tone.I've been watching some lick library dvd's which tells about pedals and the instructor there shows volume pedal first in chain a wah wah then his CS-3 followed by the SD1,and the rest are a rat dist, a DD-3, a Ge-7,Ch-1 and an old boss analog delay.He played some riffs using the SD1 and the CS3,His tone is bloody amazing!I've copied the settings he used on the SD1 and a CS-3 so i could see for my self but sadly I couldn't copy his tone,I've tweaked the amp and still nowhere close to his sound.To my conclusion a good amp and a good pickup will give you that killer tone.Effects enhances the tone of the guitar and gives the tone different colors.The instructor uses a fender strat I think he's using some emg's on it and a vox AC30.Im getting a bigger amp soon maybe a 75watt line6 or a 100watt marshall, I may get a better sound at those big amps rather than my tranny little 15watt amp.Thanks for the info man I agree with you ive also recently found out that low input impedance gets affected by other pedals especially where it is located in the chain.I found that out the time i used my friend's 30 watt amp big big difference. |
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2009 : 17:35:56
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yah, imo, tonal priority is like this:
1. hands.
2. amp.
3. volume.
4. pickups.
5. guitar shape/wood.
6. everything else.
in terms of actual execution of said tone, there's going to be limits based upon the gear in question. like, an SD-1 will often have a much different role through a solid state amp than it will a high gain tube amp. most other OD's are going to color the tone a lot more when boosting than something like an EQ or compressor. |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2009 : 02:55:14
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| get rid of the sd-1 and get a bd-2 |
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silvertone6120
Gold Member
USA
609 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2009 : 16:43:40
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Originally posted by zerksies
get rid of the sd-1 and get a bd-2
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2009 : 17:05:46
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| unfortunately, a BD-2 with a 15 watt solid state amp will sound pretty much terrible. |
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silvertone6120
Gold Member
USA
609 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2009 : 16:07:27
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Is the BD-2 not supposed to make any amp sound like a cranked tube amp? That's how Boss advertises it...
Not being sarcastic, I'm asking seriously because I don't have a solid state amp and can't make a judgement on that... |
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2009 : 16:31:13
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from my experiences with solid state, tube, and tube w/ solid state preamp, the BD-2 can give some warmth if the gain is set really low, but when it's pushed to its breakup point it gets rather harsh/scratchy and without a lot of low end. basically, if you use it as a booster it tends to do fine, but if you want it for dirt/distortion it is very tinny when going through solid state.
SD-1's have a much higher gain structure and a more uniform smoothness when it's going through solid-state both due to the op amp characteristics and the treble roll off (which i believe is rooted in c6) to give dirt without being scratchy.
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silvertone6120
Gold Member
USA
609 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2009 : 16:54:27
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I see. That's my thing; I only have tube amps, so I probably shouldn't even be using a BD-2 to start with. But certain songs call for more overdrive than I'll get by pushing my amp or turning it up(no master volume BTW). I like to have a good basic clean(slightly driven) sound for some things and then use an OD for the dirty stuff.
And I can see what you're saying about loss of bottom end. This reminded me of my first BD-2 I bought about 10 or 12 years ago. Got rid of it because like most OD/Dist pedals there wasn't enough bottom for me. This was cured when a few years later I bought a Keeley-modded BD-2. So since I'm used to using a modded BD-2 I really don't have a dog in this fight after all. |
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2009 : 18:55:13
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BD-2's are better for tube amps.
i was mainly commenting in regards to the "get rid of this and buy that" type of recommendation, especially without taking the person's rig into effect.
imo, BD-2's are best-voiced for particular styles of amps. usually american-styled tube amps with 6L6/6V6/etc. power tubes and a tube preamp. e.g. fender hot rod/blues series, peavey classics, crate vc, etc.
for EL34/EL84/5881/etc. based amps (often higher gain tube amps) i generally find the gain voicing of OD-3's, SD-1's, OD-2's, OD-1's, etc. to mesh a little better.
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mindtwist07
Copper Member
Philippines
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Posted - 04/06/2009 : 16:49:56
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Originally posted by zentropa
yah, imo, tonal priority is like this:
1. hands.
2. amp.
3. volume.
4. pickups.
5. guitar shape/wood.
6. everything else.
in terms of actual execution of said tone, there's going to be limits based upon the gear in question. like, an SD-1 will often have a much different role through a solid state amp than it will a high gain tube amp. most other OD's are going to color the tone a lot more when boosting than something like an EQ or compressor.
yep I think that's the whole key for creating a great tone.
I haven't used a tube amp before so i dont have any idea how sd-1 works in a tube amp.From what I've heard the cs-3 tricks the sd-1 to think its a distortion pedal rather than a overdrive this combo works perfectly for a tube amp.In my experience using a solid state amp, nothing changes so the differences in roles of the SD-1 in amps can be clearly be seen.
I'm using a MT-2 now for my distortion and the SD-1 for the boost.But the MT-2 has too much gain for me. I need a warm light overdrive for leads. I cant change my settings on the MT-2 because I used it mostly for rhythm.The BD-2 might be the answer to my problem.For now I have to stick with the SD-1, cant buy the BD-2 now,have financial transactions to bother with..I think I'll keep my SD-1 for the boost and not use it as a main overdrive or mod it and use a EQ for boost instead..
and lastly save money for a tube amp, because they are damn expensive here in our country..
BTW.. whats the best mod for SD-1 and DS-1? which is flexible at any type of music and best for leads ? analog man? keeley?thanks for advice
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2009 : 00:30:00
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the SD-1 doesn't really need a CS-3 for distortion, but there is a limit to the amount of gain the SD-1 can generate. SD-1's have a fairly open tone and compressing it moreso just compresses it.
on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being most gain saturation, the overall potential on an SD-1 is about a 4. the BD-2 is more in the 2 range (and imo, works better as a boost than a dirt box). the MT-2 pulls in around a 9. there's plenty of pedals between 4 and 9.
i'm not happy with any of the popular/known SD-1 mods. the SD-1 mod i do most for people is the full drive 2 conversion, which kick the gain up a notch and adds bite. usually i want SD-1 mods to give it more nuts and most of the SD-1 mods tend to be more of a castration.
for DS-1 mods, i'm quite pleased by the Seeing eye DS-1 mod. that one pretty much rips and unless you are trying to add more gain to the DS-1 (possible with switching from 1N4148's to 1N4001's in the clippers) this is a great all-around mod.
i wouldn't so much think of it in terms of "types of music" but moreso in terms of roles/sounds you want. tone is tone regardless of the style you play. like, imo, a DS-1 with the SEM pretty much sounds like EVH's brown sound and capable of producing that at any volume and with nearly any amp. so... if you want a cranked late 70's super lead sound (or to an extent early 80's jcm800) that is a good mod. it's very clear yet crunchy at the same time and gives tons of boost.
what you could always do is pop some single pin sockets into the clipping diode slots and just experiment.
keep in mind a lot of the mod components in mods are fidelity components and honestly, i sometimes prefer pedals for their low fi characteristics depending upon the situation.
the SD-2, OD-2, and OS-2 are candidates to fill the void between your SD-1 and MT-2 in terms of a heavier overdrive. |
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