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azimuth
Copper Member

Canada
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Posted - 02/24/2009 :  21:03:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes all of my other BOSS pedals default to OFF which seems more logical but my PH-2 defaults to ON and it's pretty annoying. I'm powering it with an adapter. I'm not sure how it behaves with 9v battery, probably the same.

So is there any mod to change this? Does anyone else have a PH-2 that behaves this way?

Thx.

Laurie
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Canada
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Posted - 02/24/2009 :  21:16:51  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
G'day and welcome!

Swap Q4 and Q5 - should fix it
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azimuth
Copper Member

Canada
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Posted - 02/24/2009 :  21:50:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No kidding, simple as that? I'll give it a try. Thanks!
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azimuth
Copper Member

Canada
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Posted - 02/24/2009 :  22:24:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gave it a shot and no luck. Then I noticed that in my PH-2 both Q4 and Q5 are the same type of transistor (C945).

Any other suggestions?
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moonmarkcus
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Nicaragua
224 Posts

Posted - 02/24/2009 :  22:35:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe some of them are not working good.

Try replacing with new c945 or C1815( it is a replacement)
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azimuth
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Canada
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Posted - 02/24/2009 :  23:28:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok, thanks. Yeah I just eBayed some C1815s for a few bucks so I'll try replacement of both Q4 and Q5 next.
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Laurie
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Canada
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Posted - 02/25/2009 :  00:57:15  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Q4 and Q5 are the main elements in the flipflop. Starting "ON" is not a fault - it's just what some of them do.

Next step is to leave Q4 and Q5 swapped, then progressively swap the following pairs then try it:
R59 - R60
C41 - C42
C39 - C40
R58 - R61 (these are a bit hard to read on the schem - make sure they are both 56k)
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azimuth
Copper Member

Canada
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Posted - 02/25/2009 :  01:08:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm really not sure why BOSS would decide to start some pedals on but others off. I'd love to know the reason.

Ok thanks Laurie for the next steps which I'll give a shot tomorrow.

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cctsim
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/25/2009 :  01:13:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You can make the collector resistors of Q4 and Q5 "a bit" asymmetric. I don't have the schematic but if you lower the resistor from the side that connects to the LED to 47k will do it.
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Laurie
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Canada
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Posted - 02/25/2009 :  02:02:10  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by azimuth

I'm really not sure why BOSS would decide to start some pedals on but others off. I'd love to know the reason.

Ok thanks Laurie for the next steps which I'll give a shot tomorrow.


It's not intentional - it's just variances in the components. I'm actually quite surprised the Q4-Q5 swap didn't work - they are the two "legs" of the flip flop and swapping the transistors has worked every other time I've seen it tried.

cctsim has the next step if my suggestions don't work. The resistor you want is R57 (factory spec is 56k)

PS: thanks for the PM. It's best to just put your request on the forum and give everyone the chance to respond.

Edited by - Laurie on 02/25/2009 02:04:19
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cctsim
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/25/2009 :  02:19:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had to go through a painful swapping procedure on my new BD-2 to change the state, meaning that I swapped every component on the flip flop to get it working.

It was the last two resistors R45 and R48 that reverted the state.
The problem is that you don't know which components cause due to tolerance the balance to shift to the off-state.

Ibanez uses the asymmetric trick with a 10k and 22k as collector resistors which leaves no room for tolerances. The 10k is on the side where the LED is connected.
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azimuth
Copper Member

Canada
26 Posts

Posted - 02/25/2009 :  02:42:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The wake-up state was finally switched to OFF after the C41-C42 swap.

Thanks for all your help! You guys rock!

Edited by - azimuth on 02/25/2009 22:23:49
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azimuth
Copper Member

Canada
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Posted - 02/25/2009 :  22:23:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Argh, I'm not sure how this is possible but today the pedal is powering up in the ON position again!

I guess I'll continue with the other items listed above.
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Laurie
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Canada
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Posted - 02/25/2009 :  23:04:19  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Component tolerances... swap everything from one side of the flip-flop to the other. At some point in the process it will stick!
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azimuth
Copper Member

Canada
26 Posts

Posted - 02/26/2009 :  00:22:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well I swapped C39 with C40 and still no go. Then I jumped directly to cctsim's "replace R57 with 47k" and that did it! (again?)

I'll report back if this doesn't "stick".

Thanks all.
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