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visserman
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 Posted - 12/19/2005 : 18:35:18
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Hi Guys,
Heh do not take this Silver Screw thing too far eh? I know you are all trying to find out whether you are dealing with a fake or a real one, and that is fair.
My guess is that Goran could have a real screw, same as with maniacally.
I have some other pedals [no Boss ones, but from same period] and they all seem to use that metal silver screw, and I can easily interchange those onto one of my Bosspedals.
So why would Boss come out with different type of screws? Not really sure, but perhaps it is just an odd batch of pedals where they ran out of the "correct screw" Main thing is that your pedal sounds fine, that noone has been inside to alter things----check soldering and wiring--- and that the pedal does sound fine without any issues.
I do understand that it is sometimes not easy to be sure of any of this, sometimes you have to trust, and yes, mysteries do occur, so perhaps in this case we may deal with a Boss pedal with an odd variation of the Silver Screw.
I have one thing to add to the silver screw and the labels at the back: The wording at the top of the adaptor is different on the Silver Screw ones compared to the Black Screw ones.
Silver: Use DC 9 volts
Black: Use BOSS DC 9 volts
check for yourself as I do not have any pedals arround me here, and did not make any notes, but it is different!!
All in all, it becomes pretty easy to check whether you are dealing with a real silver screw pedal or a black screw one, there are enough little details which do vary. The main ones are the wording on the back of the label, cosmetic differences, place where the Serial Number is ect. ect.
True, all of this becomes easier once you do have the pedal in your hands, but it will be harder when all you have is an image on Ebay and you need to be sure whehter you are bidding on the right thing or not.
Enjoy,
Eddie |
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phostenix
Gold Member
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Posted - 12/19/2005 : 21:25:27
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I picked up a fine speciman from Rockson that is obviously made by the same company that is making those Donio boxes.
I figured it would be worth having the box, if nothing else. The pedal came like so many do with bad solder joints and broken wires. But even after the obvious repairs, it is easily the worst chorus pedal I've ever heard. I hope I find something wrong in the circuit, 'cause this thing's BAD. And I don't mean good bad.  I set it aside for later. Even the box is inferior is many ways to the Boss. How can you mess up a box, you say? They found many ways....
That silver screw will fit in a Boss pedal. It is the same metric size - M3, if I remember correctly. The threaded shaft is a shade of a millimeter shorter than the Boss screw. The head thickness is between the Boss silver screw and the plastic head screw.
Grace and peace,
Steve
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bossarea
Forum Admin
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Posted - 12/19/2005 : 21:27:36
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quote:
Originally posted by visserman
I have one thing to add to the silver screw and the labels at the back: The wording at the top of the adaptor is different on the Silver Screw ones compared to the Black Screw ones.
Silver: Use DC 9 volts
Black: Use BOSS DC 9 volts
Do you mean the silver coloured field with an arrow at the top within the black label?
I checked out 3 silver screw pedals and found that two of them has the text BOSS AC ADAPTOR while the third has the text POWER DC-9V.
Otherwise the labels are the identical. |
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visserman
Platinum Member
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Posted - 12/20/2005 : 18:16:12
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Originally posted by bossarea
quote:
Originally posted by visserman
I have one thing to add to the silver screw and the labels at the back: The wording at the top of the adaptor is different on the Silver Screw ones compared to the Black Screw ones.
Silver: Use DC 9 volts
Black: Use BOSS DC 9 volts
Do you mean the silver coloured field with an arrow at the top within the black label?
I checked out 3 silver screw pedals and found that two of them has the text BOSS AC ADAPTOR while the third has the text POWER DC-9V.
Otherwise the labels are the identical.
Yes I mean the text you found on one of your Silver screw pedals where it says POWER DC-9V, which can be found right at the top of the label at the back.
But from what you tell us it seems that some silver screw pedals come with the text BOSS AC ADAPTOR, so my guess is that the very very early silver screw ones use the text POWER DC-9V.
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Sunburst
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 14:27:23
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The text POWER DC-9V was used on the earliest Boss pedals, and if such a pedal doesnt have a silver screw, it is not original.
The text type BOSS AC ADAPTOR is found on pedals with both silver screw and plastic screw. |
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visserman
Platinum Member
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Posted - 12/22/2005 : 15:08:23
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quote:
Originally posted by Sunburst
The text POWER DC-9V was used on the earliest Boss pedals, and if such a pedal doesnt have a silver screw, it is not original.
The text type BOSS AC ADAPTOR is found on pedals with both silver screw and plastic screw.
True true, so again, some clues to check whether you are dealing with the real deal or whether someone has been playing with your screws
I have another one:
Have a Metal Scew TW-1 and this pedal does have a whole at the back, near the place where the screw fits into the metal case.
Do have a black screw OD-1 and this pedal has same type of metal case[ slighty bigger, slightly rounder edges] and the whole is there as well, but this pedal does not have the metal screw. The wording on the label does mention: Use a coin to open battery compartment.
Have another OD-1, this one does have Metal Screw, the metal case of the pedal is smaller [ever so slight, but yep, it is!!] the hole at the back of the battery compartment is not there, and the edges of the pedal are less round than on the other one.
Makes me think that we are dealing with different METAL CASES as well!!
I have noticed this on images on Ebay, mainly images of DS-1's, the older ones, just look at their edges and corners, and the overal pedal, it looks just a tinny bit taller, probably similar to the TW-1 with the metal screw and one of my OD-1's
Really amazing though all these slight cosmetic differences, and how they can give us a clue to how old the pedal is and what it may sound like. |
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lightburst
Silver Member
Germany
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Posted - 12/22/2005 : 16:51:02
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| That�s strange! I allways thought the silver scrw pedals have the bigger dimensions. At least it�s so with my old silver screw CE-2 compared to pedals with the black screw. |
Edited by - lightburst on 12/22/2005 16:51:20 |
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visserman
Platinum Member
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Posted - 12/23/2005 : 11:28:37
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Originally posted by lightburst
That�s strange! I allways thought the silver scrw pedals have the bigger dimensions. At least it�s so with my old silver screw CE-2 compared to pedals with the black screw.
Well it may be, perhaps I should be a little clearer: The TW-1 is a silver screw one, all original, the OD-1 is orginial as well, but has the black screw, has the same metal case as the TW-1, and yes it is a little bigger than the earlier silver screw OD-1 I have.
The label on the OD-1 with the black screw is similar to the labels of the pedals which just come after the Silver Screw ones: it mentions USE BOSS ADAPTOR, but there is the mention of using a coin to open the batt. compartment. Well all of this is in line with the pedals which come straight after the Silver Screw Versions eh?
What is not in line is that its metal case is bigger, and does contain the whole in the back.
Lightburst, does your old silver screw CE-2 have the hole in the back as well?
What was this whole originally for?? On the TW-1 the chord from the batteryclip comes through it. This may have been the case with the OD-1 as well, but a previous owner changed the batteryclip, and its chord now comes from the "normal" place at the front.
Which other pedals are there which do have the whole at the back? |
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phostenix
Gold Member
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Posted - 12/23/2005 : 15:35:55
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Visserman,
Are you talking about the holes inside the battery compartment?
The earliest Boss pedals had 1 square-ish hole in the back and the battery connector wires came out there. The next generation had 2 holes in the battery compartment - the original one in back and a rectangular hole in the front - and the wires came out the front one. After that, the hole moves up to right next to the switch and it is only big enough to get the wires through.
My guess is that the last design change came as a result of Boss realizing that if a 9v battery leaks (as they used to do alot), the acids went down through the holes into the circuitry.
My CS-1 (Batch 8400) has the 1 hole. My PH-1 (9000) and CE-2 (0200) have the 2 holes.
Grace and peace,
Steve
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visserman
Platinum Member
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Posted - 12/24/2005 : 10:47:58
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Yes Steve, I mean the square-ish whole in the batterycompartment.
It makes sense not to have them there to avoid acid from a leaking battery going into the electronics of the pedal.
Will check to see which of my pedals do have the two holes. |
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