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robert1836
Copper Member

USA
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Posted - 09/07/2009 :  20:59:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When I turn on my pedalboard, the CS-3, FBM-1, RV-5, DD-7, and CE-20 all turn on automatically, but the BD-2, TU-2, HF-2 do not (in addition to all my other non-Boss pedals). Does anyone know why this happens? And is there a way to change the default of on or off? Thanks.

rhcp_1005
Silver Member

United Kingdom
307 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2009 :  22:56:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There's been a few topics about this already. It's just something that some of the newer pedals do. Here's the links.

http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7251
http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7607
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robert1836
Copper Member

USA
23 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2009 :  00:08:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the links...looks like there is no easy way to fix this.
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Rich_S
Silver Member

USA
219 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2009 :  02:51:42  Show Profile  Visit Rich_S's Homepage  Reply with Quote
What about this? My SD-1 used to default "off" but since I modded it, it defaults "on". Mods are Brian Wampler's "bleed fix" and "Eternity".
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cctsim
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United Kingdom
418 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2009 :  11:13:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think this is normal. Removing, adding or changing components may have an effect on the load is seen by the flip-flop that controls the switching.

The most effective way I found to control this was to make the flip flop asymmetric as Ibanez does. Instant remedy.
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Laurie
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Canada
4854 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2009 :  14:35:10  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cctsim
The most effective way I found to control this was to make the flip flop asymmetric as Ibanez does. Instant remedy.

That's the best idea by far. Note that some pedals don't have flip-flops though (e.g. RC-2) so this doesn't work.
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zerksies
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USA
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Posted - 09/08/2009 :  14:41:38  Show Profile  Send zerksies an AOL message  Click to see zerksies's MSN Messenger address  Send zerksies a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
a resistor has to be turned around
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DeFrag
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USA
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Posted - 09/08/2009 :  15:28:44  Show Profile  Visit DeFrag's Homepage  Click to see DeFrag's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by zerksies

a resistor has to be turned around



Resistors aren't polarized or forward/reversed biased in any way.
If you reverse a resistor, you get the same resistance.
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moonmarkcus
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Nicaragua
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Posted - 09/08/2009 :  16:49:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by zerksies

a resistor has to be turned around



I think it was a Joke !!!
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zerksies
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USA
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Posted - 09/08/2009 :  16:51:15  Show Profile  Send zerksies an AOL message  Click to see zerksies's MSN Messenger address  Send zerksies a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DeFrag

quote:
Originally posted by zerksies

a resistor has to be turned around



Resistors aren't polarized or forward/reversed biased in any way.
If you reverse a resistor, you get the same resistance.

I have seen this in other topics on this forum.So i hope someone posts a link cause i can't find it
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silvertone6120
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USA
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Posted - 09/08/2009 :  19:20:41  Show Profile  Visit silvertone6120's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rhcp_1005

It's just something that some of the newer pedals do. Here's the links.



Not just newer pedals. I have four DM-2s and a DM-3 and they all do that as well.
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rhcp_1005
Silver Member

United Kingdom
307 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2009 :  20:50:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by silvertone6120

quote:
Originally posted by rhcp_1005

It's just something that some of the newer pedals do. Here's the links.



Not just newer pedals. I have four DM-2s and a DM-3 and they all do that as well.


Actually, I've noticed my DM-3 and another older pedal I've got do the same.
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djsully3
Copper Member

USA
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Posted - 09/10/2009 :  17:20:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think this is a given with some pedals and up in the air with others. For instance, I've never seen a DD-7 that started up in the off state, but I've seen an MT-2 that starts up in both.

I'm sure there's room for human/machine error somewhere in the factory, and this is how it manifests itself.
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djsully3
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USA
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Posted - 09/10/2009 :  17:23:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Whoops, correction/clarification: I've seen an MT-2 that starts in on, and then another MT-2 that starts in off. Not one that does both!
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zerksies
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USA
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Posted - 09/10/2009 :  17:54:08  Show Profile  Send zerksies an AOL message  Click to see zerksies's MSN Messenger address  Send zerksies a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
still looking for the topic it was not to long ago
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Laurie
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Canada
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Posted - 09/10/2009 :  17:56:45  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by djsully3

I think this is a given with some pedals and up in the air with others. For instance, I've never seen a DD-7 that started up in the off state, but I've seen an MT-2 that starts up in both.

This is because the "on state" is microprocessor/DSP controlled in the DD-7 and is an analogue flip-flop in the MT-2. The DSP pedals (RC-2, DD-7, etc) will all start in the same state consistently, but the analogue ones can vary pedal-to-pedal.
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