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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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 Posted - 01/28/2007 : 14:01:20
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in the last year or so i've found myself getting drawn to the sound of the rotary speaker over straight chorus...what i've been doing to acheive some sort of resembalance is mixing my ph2(res down at zero,mode 1) and my ch1 splitting the signal into stereo some times i throw some bf2 in as well to fatten the sound(man and res down at zero,rate and depth same as the ch1)and the tr2 to achive the tremolo/vibrato effect of the leslie..i know this probably does't come close to a real leslie or vibratone...does anyone have any opinion on rotary speaker sims or does anyone have a real vibratone cab....??there is a company called motion sound who are making them again but they are pricey....and i've heard that you can experience volume drops with the cabs in certain venues i.e..less reflective surfaces for the sound to bounce off.....thanks..... |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
1309 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2007 : 17:17:56
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| How about a Univibe or a rotovibe pedal? Both made by Dunlop. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2007 : 04:13:20
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| i've looked into buying one of them as well as the h&k rotosphere and the boss rt20 but the reviews are mixed when it comes to this effect...i think because of the spatial nature of a rotary speaker it can be hard to capture in a pedal... |
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zestystrat
Silver Member
USA
283 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2007 : 22:50:06
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Rotosphere hands down if you are going the pedal route. Although I'm a little biased and have 2 of them (search for rotosphere and you'll find my thread).
In addition to the leslie sounds, it has replaced my chorus pedal too because on the slow setting it has a great chorus sound. I use it with dist to get a great David Gilmour sound.
Runs in mono or stereo, true bypass. It's pricey tho, it's a 1.5 trick pony (see above) and takes a LOT of space on the board. If you can find one a used one like I did you are golden.
If you e-mail me I can send you some trax that I recorded in the studio with it. These are unmixed trax from an EP I am about to release so thats why I'm not posting them.
I played with a KB player that had a MS amp and it did a good job with the b3 sounds. I never heard any vol drops with him. But I'm not sure I'd buy and lug this special amp around just to get that sound.
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zestystrat
Silver Member
USA
283 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2007 : 20:55:24
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FRANZONI - what did you come up with?
I saw the Retro-Sonic Chorus Ensemble mentioned somewhere. Looks like it might be worth a listen.
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bosshog
Silver Member
Canada
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2007 : 23:35:09
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yes ...i've seen the retro sonic pedal,its got some mixed reviews on the net but to be honest i've yet to see leslie sim pedal/effect that hasn't...!!! it's up there with fuzz pedals...... the only problem i have is that it's very hard for me to get my hands on any of the boutique type stuff in ireland..i can get my hands on a rotosphere fairly handy.....but the shop i buy from in germany is looking for 498 euro...thats about $680 U.S.... where some shops in the states are looking for $499 which is about 365 euro and as far as i know H&K are a german company.... nuts..... anyway the question i have for zestystrat is ..have you any experience of the mk 2 model and have you had and other reliability issues since it came back from repair..?...i suppose since you have two it's not a worry.....!!!!.............thanks for the replies......
P.S.... i've gone off the idea of a big amp to acheive this effect i think a pedal is the way to go as i already cart two big amps to the gigs..... |
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ununtrium
Bronze Member
Germany
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Posted - 08/10/2007 : 00:43:29
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I use a rt-20 and I really like it. I think it does the effect pretty well as long as you do not use the onboard overdrive. Let a separate overdrive pedal take care of that. The Univibe mod may not be completely spot-on, but it still is pretty decent. The other 3 modes are very good.
Cheers!
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zestystrat
Silver Member
USA
283 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 18:24:48
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Funny you should ask, I am having an issue with the replacement Roto MK2 (which BTW is why I was asking and reviving this thread). I think it�s a switch issue.
I am currently using my back up mk1 � which BTW I�d love to sell and not have to rely on or need to have a back up.
I�m not sure if I want to talk any more online about my current issue since I am waiting for it to be resolved.
FRANZONI � PM me if you want more info.
I will say this, I am searching for a smaller replacement that sounds as good and is Boss reliable. Can�t seem to find one I like as much. The line 6 pedal seems a little cold to me (don�t know if it�s true bypass either). The boss pedal seems the same to me too � cold.
I was hoping someone on the board had a Retro-Sonic Chorus Ensemble since once channel is a CE-1 clone and the other is a vibrato. If it�s decent I would think about going that route, but the clips aren�t close.
Also: H&K is German but Pearl bought them. I don't know if they are an American company or what. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2007 : 03:42:51
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zestystrat....sorry.....i got the retro sonic confused with the option 5 destination rototation pedal... have you seen this one...?? i've had a listen to some of the sound samples of a lot of these pedals and so far the analogman bi chorus to me sounds the best.... i know it's not a rotary sim but it does give you the option of two different chorus sounds at your foot and the sample clips i've heard it sounds very lush,also it's got some great reviews.....i would like if possible to go the analog route as i have a line 6 pod pro xt with a lot of these effects in it but to me the digital sims are as zestystrat said a bit cold to me ear as well....if i could get my hands on a ce 1.....as someone once said "the chorus pedal god uses".......
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2007 : 13:42:55
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| what about the DLS roto sim...looks pretty cool...... the only thing is it mixes analog and digital together to get the effect,but it seems to give you a lot of control over the parameters of the sound.. and its a lot cheaper than the rotosphere.........the original option 5 pedal lets you put the tweeter from one output to amp A and the bass to amp B i run a two amp set up so i think this would sound great....but i like the amount of control the DLS pedal gives over the sound,as far as i can make out the option 5 pedals speeds are preset......so far the DLS or the bi chorus are out in front for me.....the only digital effects i use these days are my dd3's and they mix analog and digital as well and i think they sound very good for a digital delay(so does joe bonamassa,satch and the great scotty moore all users of same)so if the DLS pedal had the same vibe going on (no pun intended...!!)...it also as far as i can see has stereo inputs so i could still use my ch1 in stereo before it if i wanted...for a lighter chorus sound....i think i'm talking myself into buying this one zestystrat............. |
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ChristoMephisto
Platinum Member
Canada
1288 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2007 : 16:49:32
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I take it the BF-3's Gate/Pan in stereo doesn't do the trick for you?
I had a rotary pedal, a Dano Rocky Road (Stinkfoot has a good artical on his site) Other than being mono, and a little noisy even after the volume mod, it produced a convincing rotary sound.
True rotary sound has an in-out sound. Right at you-traveling away-away from you-traveling towards you-Back at ya
Imagine a fast car driving on a circular road, and your on the side.
You hear the car coming-whoosh its loud and in front of you, then the sound of it driving away-then on the other side-repeat
Add honking his horn at some points
imho i found most pedals give the up-down sound instead.
I had a PH-2 + HF-2 in a LS-2 in A+B Mix for some interesting sounds, but it was nothing like a rotary.
Behringer makes a Rotary pedal, with stereo. Haven't heard any reviews tho, and hard to find in North America
http://www.behringer.com/RM600/index.cfm?lang=eng
iirc the CH-1 has a delay time of 13-20ms, and the BF-2 has 0-13ms.
you might get better results if the delay time was closer
good luck |
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zestystrat
Silver Member
USA
283 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2007 : 15:50:52
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
zestystrat....sorry.....i got the retro sonic confused with the option 5 destination rototation pedal... have you seen this one...?? i've had a listen to some of the sound samples of a lot of these pedals and so far the analogman bi chorus to me sounds the best.... i know it's not a rotary sim but it does give you the option of two different chorus sounds at your foot and the sample clips i've heard it sounds very lush,also it's got some great reviews.....i would like if possible to go the analog route as i have a line 6 pod pro xt with a lot of these effects in it but to me the digital sims are as zestystrat said a bit cold to me ear as well....if i could get my hands on a ce 1.....as someone once said "the chorus pedal god uses".......
FWIW - Once I asked Analogman Mike if he was working on a roto type pedal (I think I asked for a "rotosphere replacement")and if the bi-chours would do the trick or would work as well.
He flat out told me no and that that isn't what it's supposed to do.
Once you get one I'd like to hear what you think. |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 16:09:47
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H Guys
I started using the Boss PW-10 over the weekend, comparing the COSM modeling to my Two crybaby's.
It has a Uni-V mode (Univibe I guess), rotary sim,
while I don't own or have access to, any of the other more expensive & sought after Roto pedals, it sounded pretty good.
Played some Robin Trower, in that mode for while.
Anyone else used or hear the Uni-V roto mode on this unit?
I didn't like this wah & sim's at first, but it's growing on me.
I will definitely take it with me as a backup for my other wah.
Bitch to program & get the distortion levels right, they tend to come on so loud, they nearly push your eyeballs out the back of your skull.
I hope I didn't go too far off topic.
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zestystrat
Silver Member
USA
283 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2007 : 17:49:25
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Rotosim seem cool. I'll do some more reasarch......
Maybe I can sell one rotosphere and buy this puppy. Play live with the rotosim & record with with rotosphere...... |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2007 : 16:27:28
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hello all...if zestystrat is reading this..i just got a dynacord cls22 in a buy it now on ebay....its a stereo rack unit and it got some good reviews on a lot of different sites..i missed out on the cls222(the later version)earlier on this week,what i found out was the 22 is the earlier one and except for a couple of different options on the front panel regarding the mono/stereo modes i think its identical..if you or any fellow members have any experience with this unit please let me know....i found a site with some sound samples of the latter 222 model its www.modezero.com check it out if you get a chance and let me know what you think.....
B.T.W...did you look into any other makes of this effect yourself and how did you get on....?.... |
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rotary speaker simulators........
