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BossBrasil
Bronze Member
Brazil
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 Posted - 03/28/2010 : 01:40:55
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Who did already suffer prejudice for having more pedals than knows how to play guitar? what is more important for you?
For me :
PLAY GUITAR = IT'S A PLEASURE 
MY COLLECTION = IT'S A PRIDE (G.A.S CLUB) |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2010 : 03:40:03
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I think I know what you mean...
I like playing guitar but I'm not particularly good at it or anything. I just do it for fun because I enjoy it. I've never considered music as a career option. Some of my fondest memories from my 20's were the times my friends and I made terrible music together  . Good times!
I currently own 13 guitars and basses. I probably only need 3 of them. I also own around 40 pedals but only really use a couple of those regularly with my band.
My guitar and effects collection is definitely overkill for what I do, but I like playing around with effects and different guitars. I can justify my ridiculous collection to myself, so that makes it okay!  |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2010 : 03:43:09
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Originally posted by BossBrasil
PLAY GUITAR = IT'S A PLEASURE
MY COLLECTION = IT'S A PRIDE (G.A.S CLUB)
Yes! Me too! |
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Mesjoggah
Gold Member
Netherlands
595 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2010 : 10:43:51
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Originally posted by Laurie
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Originally posted by BossBrasil
PLAY GUITAR = IT'S A PLEASURE
MY COLLECTION = IT'S A PRIDE (G.A.S CLUB)
Yes! Me too!
I think that covers it for most of us! |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
1309 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2010 : 11:59:46
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I'm not a collector, I just keep what works for me.
It's funny watching some less experienced players changing their gear only to find out that it still doesn't sound quite right.
Because they can't play themselves, I mean some expensive boutique pedal doesn't make you play better, and if you can't play properly you'll never gonna make it sound right. 
Playing with pedals is still great fun though and technique wise I guess it all depends on where you set the standards for yourselfs, if you only play around your bedroom with different sounds and stuff, fine go ahead.
And on the other hand if you are any serious, please go out there, learn as much as you can and go for it.
For me playing in a coversband and having some gigs now and then is fine, cause becoming a professional musician here in Holland is pretty undoable and something I gave up a long time ago  |
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Mansun
Gold Member
Spain
564 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2010 : 13:59:26
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Originally posted by Dirk
For me playing in a coversband and having some gigs now and then is fine, cause becoming a professional musician here in Holland is pretty undoable and something I gave up a long time ago
Funny, it appears you can only achieve it if you are based in the US or the UK. My band does english songs and here it's not too welcomed when it comes to success. |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2010 : 15:34:37
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Originally posted by Mansun
Funny, it appears you can only achieve it if you are based in the US or the UK. My band does english songs and here it's not too welcomed when it comes to success.
Is this a language thing or a cultural thing? Most of the bands I can think of who have achieved some sort of worldwide fame and success are from English speaking countries, mainly the US and the UK, but also to a lesser extent from Canada, Australia, NZ and Ireland... Even bands from non-English speaking countries that acheive success seem to sing in English anyway (Abba, Phoenix, Sepultura etc...).
Or is my perception just skewed because I'm an English speaker from an English speaking country?
Surely there's a reasonably large market for pop/rock music done in Spanish? The majority of Central & South America and Spain itself...
There would also have to be large markets for music with lyrics in French, German, Chinese, Hindi, Tamil, Arabic and Japanese too... just because of the sheer number of native speakers of those languages?
Is it just difficult in Holland because it's a relatively small market and a large percentage of Nederlanders speak English quite well? Do you guys listen to mainly English music?
Or has it got nothing to do with language and it's just hard to be a muso in general?
Just curious...
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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
704 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2010 : 15:54:17
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Originally posted by natthu
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Originally posted by Mansun
Funny, it appears you can only achieve it if you are based in the US or the UK. My band does english songs and here it's not too welcomed when it comes to success.
Is this a language thing or a cultural thing? Most of the bands I can think of who have achieved some sort of worldwide fame and success are from English speaking countries, mainly the US and the UK, but also to a lesser extent from Canada, Australia, NZ and Ireland... Even bands from non-English speaking countries that acheive success seem to sing in English anyway (Abba, Phoenix, Sepultura etc...).
Or is my perception just skewed because I'm an English speaker from an English speaking country?
Surely there's a reasonably large market for pop/rock music done in Spanish? The majority of Central & South America and Spain itself...
There would also have to be large markets for music with lyrics in French, German, Chinese, Hindi, Tamil, Arabic and Japanese too... just because of the sheer number of native speakers of those languages?
Is it just difficult in Holland because it's a relatively small market and a large percentage of Nederlanders speak English quite well? Do you guys listen to mainly English music?
Or has it got nothing to do with language and it's just hard to be a muso in general?
Just curious...
I'll chime in on this topic. I only really listen to bands who record in English. The lyrics are a big part of a song for me, and if I can't understand them, then they are useless. (I understand that this is my fault, laziness and problem.) I also don't really enjoy completely instrumental music either.
My exception on the different language front is Sigur Ros. Their music is beautiful. I don't think I have an exception on the instrumental....
What I will also add, is that here in the UK we are some of the worst in the world for introducing our children to different languages. I know in Europe most children are introduced to English, or another language from a very early age. I was nearly 12 before I got a French lesson at school, and I could drop it after 2 years? Needless to say, I can't speak French oui?
Learning Spanish has been on my 'to do' list for way to long. I did start, but I am nowhere near ready for a conversation.
My friends hate how I bang on about the UK being 'totally ignorant' when it comes to learning the languages of our European brothers, never mind the rest of the world. (I say Europe because that's where most of us holiday) We think if we say anything louder in English, then people will understand.
ANyway, I digress, and better stop before I'm in full rant.... |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2010 : 16:04:54
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Originally posted by DasBeef
My exception on the different language front is Sigur Ros.
DasBeef, you are one of the few people I've ever known who have even heard of Sigur Ros. Boffo! |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2010 : 16:12:18
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Originally posted by natthu
[Surely there's a reasonably large market for pop/rock music done in Spanish? The majority of Central & South America and Spain itself...
With sincere apologies for keeping this off topic...
I'd suggest that there are HUGE markets that we just don't see because we are anglo-centric (we come by that honestly!). The one that springs immediately to mind is Latin America.
I wonder if the challenge here is the definition of the phrase "acheive it"? What does that mean? If it means MEGA stardom, then yes, it is probably anglo-centric. If it means "able to live comfortably from your earnings", then I think that's possible in nearly any country.
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Mansun
Gold Member
Spain
564 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2010 : 17:20:52
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Ok, I wasn't thinking in 'success' as that people like Shakira enjoys; I was mainly talking about 'band success': starting a band with some friends in a garage and tour around the world. I wonder if you have heard about people like "Second" or "Love Of Lesbian", they're not massive here but have started some following dropping the english language from their songs. One exceptional case is "H�roes del Silencio", disbanded long ago but they were famous in countries like Germany singing ONLY in spanish.
And,about the OT Dasbeef has just started (shame on you ), I agree with you, you english people are very lazy when it comes to learning other languages... But you're not alone there! Alright, here I started english classes at school when I was 6, but I didn't learn anything useful until I gained some interest in english music, in my teens; and later came multilingual DVDs and OV movies that helped me out a lot more. Try to have a conversation in english with ALMOST ANY spaniard and what you'll get will be 'yes'... luckily. And they've been learning english at school at least for 6 years! |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2010 : 17:48:39
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I use a pretty big rig for what is basically a pub rock band i use on every gig a Marshall superbass head into a 2x12 cab,rack with a stereo power amp splitting into two 1x12 cabs for my reverb/leslie/extra delay effects plus a foot controller and a bigish pedalboard with mainly boss pedals and a SD twintube overdrive and a crybaby wah and Lauries amazing HZD booster.. i could do a gig with just that pedal,my Strat and the Marshall if i had to.. ..i often get the odd smart comment "you lot have more gear than U2" etc.....it used to bother me that people might think that the gear was doing the work and not the player but now that i'm older and know what sort of sounds i want to have at my disposal and not be arrogant about it... but i really don't give a monkeys what other people think or say.. ....i see a lot of players coming in with a small combo and a couple of pedals and if that works for them ...great...!...but i like my rig and even if its a small pub i will squeeze it in somehow....
As for the OT on going fulltime as a musician..i'm what would be classed i suppose as a semi pro musician as i play on average twice a week and get paid for it.. i also have sat in on other peoples gigs if their stuck for a guitar player...it's a tough job is some respects as you never know if your going to get paid until you do...!!! but of all the jobs i've done in my life this has to be the most enjoyable although..i even love geting into the van,setting up the gear side of things and if the opportunity ever arose to travel..(some of my mates in the local music scene have done 4-6 week tours of europe or hol resorts in spain) i would be gone like a shot just don't tell Mrs F......if your band concentrates on one type of music or does original material of couse it will be harder to get gigs and make a living( i also drive a taxi part time these days to bump up my income if i don't have a gig since the construction industry went down the tubes... )..were lucky in the respect that were a real band and don't have to go down the backing track/sing a long crap to get gigs but with the way things are at the moment it can be hard getting enough to pay 4 people...one of my side projects at the moment is setting up a acoustic duo for nights/sunday afternoons outside of my main band plus hopefully it will be easier to get gigs as we can charge less with two...one good side of things is that the pubs here are so desperate to get people in their doors they are looking to put bands on again...but drums are a big problem with a lot of places as the room they need plus the volume levels they create.... also Ireland has a tradational culture of music in pubs so i suppose that is a big plus....
As for foreign languages..from reading DasBeefs comments it sounds like were as bad here.....Gaelic(native irish langague) and english are taught side by side in schools from day one but we also leave it very late to teach spanish/german/french etc....also some people think my inner city Dublin accent is a foreign langague...... |
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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
704 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2010 : 18:06:32
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Originally posted by Laurie
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Originally posted by DasBeef
My exception on the different language front is Sigur Ros.
DasBeef, you are one of the few people I've ever known who have even heard of Sigur Ros. Boffo!
Another fan? Everyone should check them out. They are outstanding.....in a minimalist, very mellow way. Great chill out band. I love this track Youtube - Sigur R�s - Svefn g englar
Sorry for the OT's...... |
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Mansun
Gold Member
Spain
564 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2010 : 19:21:05
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Originally posted by DasBeef
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Originally posted by Laurie
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Originally posted by DasBeef
My exception on the different language front is Sigur Ros.
DasBeef, you are one of the few people I've ever known who have even heard of Sigur Ros. Boffo!
Another fan? Everyone should check them out. They are outstanding.....in a minimalist, very mellow way. Great chill out band. I love this track Youtube - Sigur R�s - Svefn g englar
Sorry for the OT's......
I know Sigur Ros too. They're very good but I'd love them more if they wrote also 5 minute tunes! |
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jsoi_narciso
Silver Member
Philippines
200 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2010 : 20:18:55
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PLAY GUITAR = IT'S A PLEASURE and my only source of income (if don't play guitar, i'll end up broke)
MY COLLECTION = a lot of options to choose for sound
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Edited by - jsoi_narciso on 03/28/2010 20:22:38 |
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jsoi_narciso
Silver Member
Philippines
200 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2010 : 20:21:27
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Edited by - jsoi_narciso on 03/28/2010 20:23:09 |
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prejudice question?!
