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DeFrag
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 Posted - 10/14/2009 : 05:02:14
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I'm basically putting together a quick guide of what scales can be played over what progressions.
So after a brief intro, I have a couple questions for the guitar players (as opposed to the pedal collectors) if you please.
Like Major (diatonic or pentatonic) scales can be played over a Major chord progression in traditional harmony (Maj, min, min, Maj, Maj, min, dim, Maj) as well as the relative minor (diatonic or pentatonic) of the Major key. I get that.
so...
1. What keys or chord progressions can you play the HARMONIC minor scale?
1a. Consider traditional harmony for Harmonic minor (min, dim, Aug, min, Maj, Maj, dim).
What scales can you play over a progression in Harmonic minor? |
Edited by - DeFrag on 10/14/2009 05:04:08 |
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RickBlacker
Bronze Member
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2009 : 06:37:09
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I wish I could answer this for you but I can't. I don't know enough about theory yet. I can point you to this site. I'm a paid member. Go into their forum.
https://www.guitartricks.com |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 10/14/2009 : 08:57:28
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Hi DeFrag
Learning the scales is important but to be honest i never think in scales when i look at the neck of the guitar as i find sometimes you can get bogged down into playing a scale over a chord change rather than playing something more interesting..i think more in chords and where i can play the same chord and it's different voicings,usually you find the scale is close by and sometimes you find a slightly different and more interesting way to play it also what i like to do is learn licks,riffs,phrases etc.. off my favourite players and try to develop on them,listening to someone like Albert Lee or Scott Henderson and try to see what they do and incorparate into my playing in some small way.... personally i like the way Scott Henderson explained it as like learning a new word or sentence and trying a to find a way into intoduce into everyday speech that it doesn't sound odd when you speak it or throw it out there so you can have something interesting to say when having a musicial 'conversation'....  |
Edited by - FRANZONI on 10/14/2009 09:01:53 |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2009 : 15:28:28
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You speak truth Franzoni, thanks.
I just tire of minor pent all the time so I'm trying to branch out a bit. I've got altered dominant, dom7 pent, gypsy minor, & whole-tone scales (among others).. on a quest of understanding. Maybe modes is where its all at. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 10/14/2009 : 20:02:18
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A little trick i like to do that can sound quite good(i borrowed it off Django Reinheart) is to do hammer on's on the note of a chord and the flat note beside it...take a A major chord at the the 5th fret for example.... start with your finger on the 1st string on the 4th fret and hammer on to the 5th then skip onto the B at the 4th and and hammer onto the 5th the pick put the rest of the notes of the chord and start on the flat note before it and hammer on until you hit the low E on the 5 fret...not so much a scale but you can use this for any chord..i like to do it on a 7#9 chord like a E7#9th at the end of a blues progression for something a little different.....Dango only had two working fingers as his other two on his fretting hand(ring and little fingers)were badly burned when his caravan went on fire and were more or less welded together and couldn't be used... ...but to hear what he could do with two fingers..... .....gypsy jazz...Bireli Lagrene and the Rosenbergs(stocholo or jimmy) are good exponents of this style....
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Witloofboer
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 17:50:54
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Hello Defrag!
The most important change in the harmonic minor scale is the raised 7th. In a normal minor scale, you have a whole tone between your seventh note and your root. When you raise this note, you create a tension with the root, which is only a half step away. This tension gives you more possibilities, as music is one long game of tension & release.
You can use the harmonic mode on the following chords (I will probably be missing some):
- All minor chords without a seventh.
- Minor-major chord (minor chord with raised seventh)
- minor II-V-I progressions
It is always useful to know how to play over certain chord progressions, but, as Franzoni said, let your ear be the judge. You are not obliged to use/know all scales/notes. You will create your own 'vocabulary' when practicing. After some time, you will play harmonic minor licks without being aware.  |
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DeFrag
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 18:20:05
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Thanks Witloofboer.
Hey guys, what about modes? Here's what I have so far:
Modes - Play over
Ionian - Major key progressions
Dorian - minor chord vamps, ii-V
Phrygian - m7, sus4, iii-IV
Lydian - M7, M9, #11, M13, IV-V
Mixolydian - rock, V7, & extended chords
Aeolian - minor key progressions
Locrian - m7b5-7b9-m7 & metal rhythm supports Phrygian melody
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Witloofboer
Gold Member
Belgium
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 18:50:16
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quote:
Originally posted by DeFrag
Thanks Witloofboer.
Hey guys, what about modes? Here's what I have so far:
Modes - Play over
Ionian - Major key progressions
Dorian - minor chord vamps, ii-V
Phrygian - m7, sus4, iii-IV
Lydian - M7, M9, #11, M13, IV-V
Mixolydian - rock, V7, & extended chords
Aeolian - minor key progressions
Locrian - m7b5-7b9-m7 & metal rhythm supports Phrygian melody
I think you've got most of the chord progressions. There's another mode which is quite popular: Lydian Myxolydian, which is a mixolydian scale with a raised fourth. You can use it on V7/V11/V13 chords.
Other popular scales:
Whole tone scale - Dominant chords, minor chords. The scale sounds 'wrong', which can be cool.
Diminished scale - Diminished chords
Reversed Diminished (Well, I don't know how to call it, it's just the opposite of diminished- half tone, whole tone, half tone, ...) - Same as whole tone scale |
Edited by - Witloofboer on 10/15/2009 18:51:03 |
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I need a bit of help with scales
