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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
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nosi0
Gold Member
Netherlands
511 Posts |
 Posted - 02/12/2010 : 15:06:13
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ok this pedal is giving me wacky paki memories! i don't recall who made the wacky paki pedal but someone here did!  |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 02/12/2010 : 16:05:31
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Originally posted by nosi0
ok this pedal is giving me wacky paki memories! i don't recall who made the wacky paki pedal but someone here did!
Hi nosi0 & guys
It was StratoSphere,
who has the one & only, original, boutique.
The Whacky Paki
Here is the original thread,
& the picture is amazingly still attached in Imageshack
http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1703&whichpage=2
Link to the Imageshack picture
http://img529.imageshack.us/i/pedalsxc4.png/
Another proven high speed search using www.altavista.com 
Search String:
paki site:bossarea.com
Regards Dr. Bob  |
Edited by - Dr. Bob on 02/16/2010 10:26:04 |
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nosi0
Gold Member
Netherlands
511 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2010 : 17:39:35
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| Why did that post just disapear? I agree with who-ever wrote it that it's not a thing to go shouting around but in this case it's just simply the name of the pedal. |
Edited by - nosi0 on 02/12/2010 17:40:29 |
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Leeroyfunk
Silver Member
United Kingdom
400 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 09:29:29
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Originally posted by nosi0
...in this case it's just simply the name of the pedal.
Not sure I agree - The word "Paki" is considered very offensive and racist in the UK: I can't imagine anyone posting picture of a homemade pedal called the "Jiggy Nigger" overdrive, complete with graphics depicting a black person. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 12:00:24
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Originally posted by Leeroyfunk
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Originally posted by nosi0
...in this case it's just simply the name of the pedal.
Not sure I agree - The word "Paki" is considered very offensive and racist in the UK: I can't imagine anyone posting picture of a homemade pedal called the "Jiggy Nigger" overdrive, complete with graphics depicting a black person.
I suppose it could be viewed that way alright although i'm sure Stratosphere never intended any offence or to offend anyone with it... I don't know about Canada but immigration is a relativity new phenomenon to Ireland by people from Africa and the far east in any large numbers so we would have a very small population of people from Pakistan and places like that compared to the U.K..so it's only lately that we would have to start thinking about words like that and how their viewed....normally it's us Irish that are jumping on the plane to head somewhere else..........and unfortunately it's starting to go back that way again.... |
Edited by - FRANZONI on 02/13/2010 12:04:29 |
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nathanscribe
Silver Member
United Kingdom
376 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 12:51:05
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Originally posted by nosi0
Why did that post just disapear? I agree with who-ever wrote it that it's not a thing to go shouting around but in this case it's just simply the name of the pedal.
It was me who wrote and then deleted it. I should probably have left it, given that one of my reasons for removing the post was not to start a debate, but that's happened anyway!
For those who missed it, I simply said that here in the UK using a name like that would be unwise. As Leeroyfunk says, it's very definitely a racist term here. Given the pedal was made on the continent, there may be a gap in the general usage of Enlgish or the awareness of connotations of certain words. I once taught ESOL (English to Speakers of Other Languages) and a Polish girl kept telling me how various things were "shit". She didn't understand why I kept laughing. A few days later she'd asked her housemate who explained it didn't just mean "unpleasant", and she apologised. She needn't have, I wasn't offended by it, but it's an illustration of one of the problems with translation.
As for the word "Paki" in itself, I can see (though don't know) how it may have been an inoffensive name once, like "Brit" or "Aussie" (I'm presuming nobody's offended by those...). On the other hand, it is often applied generically to anybody of "Asian" appearance (whether from Pakistan or not) and I wonder if some of the offensive qualities come from that. I think another problem with it here in the UK is its history of (ab)use by the far right, etc. It has become a term of abuse and exclusion. It also has sparked violence by its use, just like other racist terms have done.
I think in light of different cultures' uses of a "universal" language like English, and how words are applied with various layers of meaning and/or misinterpratation, one has to tread carefully when using some words and also when making accusations. My original post did not make accusations, and nor does anyone here so far, but was only meant to hint at the possible offence that may be caused by its use.
None of this changes the fact the pedal has a name - but perhaps should suggest some sensitivity in how that name is referred to on a global forum. |
Edited by - nathanscribe on 02/13/2010 12:58:06 |
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Shoegazers Anonymous
Silver Member
Sweden
257 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 17:37:39
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Hi!
Thanks Goran!
Well, the Indie pedal is simple a kind of mix from od/dist/fuzz. When I was fiddeling around with the components it was the sound from SD-2 in lead-mode I got in mind. And it came out pretty close. It has a fat sound with a lot of harmonics and high gain. It works well with the guitar volume-pot. It can not be used as a booster, but set at lower madness settings it produces really nasty sounds. Really dirty!
I do have to say that it is no rasism att all behind this pedal either. The idea was from that I like indie-musik. Not musik from india, indie like 90`s indiepop-scene and I wanted to create a pedal for this. Then things just started to happen. The prototype was handpainted and I took it forward from there. So I can swear that it is all about humour and a opportunity to make a good laugh. If it wasn�t for the bindi/red lead it could have be a white guy instead. I do think that it came out quite well... 
It is simple as this. If you stomp on his dick he get mad and screams at you. Hes gonna be so mad that the bindi lights up. And who can blame him for that? Black or white doesnt matter... |
Edited by - Shoegazers Anonymous on 02/13/2010 17:44:03 |
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Brutalitarian Supremacy
Silver Member
USA
270 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 18:43:49
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I think people who are hung up on racisim are a bunch of fu*king idiots who belong in the time of the Inquisition...if you are easily offended then you deserve it!!!(people who are offended, offend me!)...I fuc*ing hate politically correct people... they're like the little tattle-tales on the playground...when shit doesn't go exactly their way thay throw a fit and kick and scream at how they've been wronged...so if you just found yourself described in the last few sentences then you need to grow the fu*k up!!!!...no i'm not a racist...I don't discriminate against race, creed or religion...I'm an equal opportunity hater!!!...there's plenty enough to go around...I don't hate you less than him/her...I hate you all equally!...seriously I don't hate anyone(except politicians)and if someone came up to me and started spewing off about my race or someother shit i'd walk away...if they persisted then they will be on the recieving end of a destroyed existance...my point is crying and whining doesn't solve anything...man up and either deal w/ it or stand up and face it...even God hates sissy-bitches ...oh yeah if your offended by this then i'm very happy that I made your day, and mine...RANT OVER!!!!
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 02:03:17
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Originally Posted by nathanscribe:
As for the word "Paki" in itself, I can see (though don't know) how it may have been an inoffensive name once, like "Brit" or "Aussie" (I'm presuming nobody's offended by those...). On the other hand, it is often applied generically to anybody of "Asian" appearance (whether from Pakistan or not) and I wonder if some of the offensive qualities come from that.
I think you nailed it here..
The term "paki" in Canada is indeed considered to be a minor racial slur, but perceptions definitely vary between major urban centres and the more rural populations.
As for "indie" - the pedal and design are really slick looking (I like Loudness and Madness), but I think that in Canada it'd be considered "offensive", and would be shunned by a decent portion of the musical community (which is huge cross-section of the population, and is extremely multicultural here). |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2010 : 12:52:23
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To me indie is a word describing a musical style/attitude and has nothing to do with racism.
It�s a little hard to judgde Shoegazers nice pedal this way, I know for sure he is a nice guy and wouldn�t dream of putting out a pedal with a racist message.
So let�s forget that and enjoy the sight of a finely designed pedal |
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
1185 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2010 : 21:40:14
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It does mean "indie music" but when it's in a pseudo-Indian font and the character on the unit has a bindi.. the meaning does change.
but like I said, it looks really slick and nice!! |
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jackderringer
Silver Member
USA
153 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2010 : 22:50:59
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archimedes
Silver Member
United Kingdom
191 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2010 : 12:41:39
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Definitely -1 with Brute!
Racism isn't just about attitude, although that is bad enough in itself, it's also about discrimination, hatred and violence and it is real and it hurts people. Just look at the KKK and the Nazis! It's not a joke or about some fake liberal conspiracy. 'Paki-bashing' was once a kind of sport amongst violent stupid dickheads in the UK and 'Paki' is definitely not a neutral term here.
Rant over
David
(who thinks that the worst, most nasty rock song ever is 'God and Guns' by the current fake incarnation of Lynyrd Skynyrd but that is probably another topic) |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2010 : 13:52:19
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+1 Archimedes
Racism is NOT okay in any form.
I have dark skin for a European and I used to work in a shop in London staffed mainly by people from the subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc...). As a result of this I have been called "Paki" a few times by customers mistaking my identity by association. I must say that I found it very offensive (and not because I'm actually a white European or found it offensive that people could think I was Pakistani), but because of the derogatory fashion in which it was used. The problem is not the word "Paki" itself but the attitude and hateful intent which is associated with it. It is, unfortunately, a common verbal way of expressing disdain and racial hatred.
Being white It's fortunate that I don't have to deal with racist bullshit often, but I was also, at times, on the recieving end of racism from a select few of my Indian collegues, so I do have an appreciation of how horrible racism can feel.
While the "Whacky Paki" pedal may not be intended to cause offence, I can see why some would consider it offensive. The term "Paki" may not be associated with hatred and offence to you personally, but you must understand that for some others it is. Pretending it's okay to use racist offensive terms is part of the problem.
To quote Brutallian Supremicy:
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I think people who are hung up on racisim are a bunch of fu*king idiots who belong in the time of the Inquisition...if you are easily offended then you deserve it!!!
Racism isn't just verbal Brute, it's the way people treat, overlook, and all to aften physically abuse others. If you think people deserve to be abused in this way merely because of their ethnicity then you aren't much of a person yourself. I'm not saying you personally endorse that sort of behaviour, but you can't just magically expect to separate out different forms of abuse and expect some of them to be acceptable.
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Shoegazers Anonymous
Silver Member
Sweden
257 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2010 : 21:30:16
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Originally posted by verivorax
It does mean "indie music" but when it's in a pseudo-Indian font and the character on the unit has a bindi.. the meaning does change.
but like I said, it looks really slick and nice!!
If it wasn�t for the placement and the colour of the led i combination with the name Indie - wich I decided long before the project started the guy could have been white instead. But, I think that you all know that one thing get the other. The led sat at the forehead, it is red, the pedalname was indie. It would not really fit if the guy was white. And the most important thing. The design of the pedal has NOTHING to do with "stomp at a india" or racism or something even close. I could have made a "whitey" with a white led and transparant guy. But that would have been the same thing, don�t stomp on the whites! So, I guess it�s all about who you are and what you "will" see in the pedal. Someone will always be offended if they want to. I just see it as a good layout, nothing more, nothing less.
I know that you all understand, if you want to. No hard feelings. 
Off course it�s free to have thoughts around it, but I think that I have cleared things out around the whole idea of this pedal to avoid further misunderstandings. |
Edited by - Shoegazers Anonymous on 02/16/2010 08:33:16 |
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